[bcab] Re: The Spoken Network Audiobook Sight

        Thanks Clive. It does seem to be something to do with the CSS
handling I think, with some clear variation across different browsers and in
some cases, different screen reader versions. All this information helps
build up a picture though.

        I haven't had time to install older versions of Jaws, but 9.0 seems
to be working ok on both browsers here at the moment. I suspect that it will
be a different story for versions older than 8.0 though.

Léonie.
 


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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Clive Stevenson
Sent: 24 October 2008 23:23
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: The Spoken Network Audiobook Sight

Hi Leonie,

Just to confirm Steve Nutt's findings.  I've just tested the Spoken Networks
U.S. and U.K. sites with both FIREFOX 3.0.3 and IE 7.0.  In both instances I
was using Win-Eyes 6.1 and am using a computer running Vista Home Premium.

I had absolutely no trouble finding and accessing 'Add' buttons on both
sites when using FIREFOX but couldn't find them at all when using IE 7.0.

For consistency I selected exactly the same title on each search e.g. 
Girl with a Pearl Ear-ring (Tracey Chevalier) from Fiction/Historical/ page
11.

A fascinating site... Lots of goodies... I can already hear my bank manager
squealing!  Seriously, after testing it out as indicated above, I have
dipped into all sorts of categories and titles, throughout the site and had
no problems adding titles to my basket as long as I was using the FIREFOX
browser.

Can't speak for JAWS at present.  Have got v9.0 but have not long had this
machine and have yet to add it.

Cheers,

Clive.S

In message <BE305F91FDAF4E76AB1F32603810B6E3@kheldar>, Léonie Watson
<tink@xxxxxxxxxx> writes
>    Hmm. This is curious. Both links work ok for me here, with Jaws 9.0 
>and either IE7 or FF3. Since you and Samuel reported difficulties with 
>Window Eyes and Jaws respectively, something's clearly not working 
>consistently. I think Samuel mentioned that SA To Go had no trouble 
>either, so the mystery deepens.
> 
>    The two characteristics that those links share, which seem to be 
>different from most other links on the page, is that they use 
>JavaScript to quite an extent and they have some very strange CSS 
>applied to them.
> 
>    If you can let me know whether your reader reports the link as 
>active, or just treats the words as plain text, it might help narrow it 
>down. If the link appears as though you should be able to activate it, 
>is it simply the case that nothing happens?
> 
>    The CSS is very odd. What should be happening is that the link 
>should be hidden visually. For some reason, it isn't working though, as 
>both links do show up visually on the page.
> 
>    Jaws at least honours CSS properties that deal with visibility. The 
>exceptions are versions before 5.0, which don't really deal with CSS at 
>all, and versions from 8.0 onwards, which honour CSS visibility 
>properties, unless it's applied to a span inside a link tag. This is 
>the case with these links.
> 
>    It could be a versioning thing with Jaws perhaps. I'm not so 
>familiar with Window Eyes, so if you can shed any background 
>information on CSS support in different versions, that might help. I'd 
>be surprised if WE wasn't quite CSS capable though and I guess you're 
>using a recent version?
> 
>    The JavaScript certainly isn't best practice. If you don't have 
>JavaScript enabled in your browser, neither link will work. Again, I 
>suspect that you'll have JavaScript enabled, so I'm not convinced this 
>could be the problem.
>    The links are well formed, which means that a screen reader should 
>at least identify the text as a link. Hopefully, you'll be able to 
>confirm this. It is possible that the JavaScript is causing the problem 
>though and if it turns out you activate the link but nothing happens, 
>this increases this as a possibility.
> 
>    At a bit of a loss I'm afraid. Will keep looking though. Any help 
>you can give in terms of information or versions/browsers etc. will 
>help.
> 
>Léonie.

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Clive Stevenson
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