[bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?

Hi,

Then you have the grade 2 translation issue.

I'm still not convinced.

Andrew.


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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of David Taylor
Sent: Tue 25/07/2006 11:44
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?
 
Hi,

It would be relatively easy to design a keyboard with the standard 9 braille 
keys  (6 dots, space, enter and backspace) then a couple of rows of keys to 
duplicate function keys, alt, ctrl, start, applications, shift, arrows etc. 
I think some of the pacmate combinations could easily be modified to 
reproduce those so solving the problem.

Cheers
Dave

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From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?


Hi,

Mervin, your point is a valid one.  The other thing is that I am turned off 
by a braille keyboard.  Once we put a braille keyboard on top of an os like 
Windows XP, we are going to have to customise it quite a bit, to ensure that 
the machine will work with the limited number of keys on the device.  That 
causes a few problems imho, for example, when an application is put on the 
device, it may cause problems with the keyboard, what happens when a new 
version of Windows comes out - etc.  This is why I like the devices such as 
the Smalltalk Ultra, and you could probably buy several similar mainstream 
devices.

Andrew.


-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Mervyn Robertson
Sent: Tue 25/07/2006 10:08
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?

There are quite a few 'Ultra Mobile' fully fledged XP devices either
available, or on their way. OQO is a unit that has been available for
some time and now Samsung have launched their Q1. Sony will have a
device available shortly (UX ?) and I think Dell also has something on
the way. Granted, they have no integral Braille and you would have to
use a Bluetooth keyboard but these devices are pretty small and running
either XP Home or XP Professional.

Regards
Mervyn

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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of tim.pennick@xxxxxx
Sent: 25 July 2006 09:48
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Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?

Hi,

My interest in the Soneil product stems from the fact that it is
envisaged as a fully fledged XP machine.  I'm after something I can use
to connect to my employer's corporate intranet, and so far, I can't
track down a PDA that can run the combination of VPN software, and
automatic token generation which is necessary for me to do this
remotely.  The only alternative I'm aware of would be a lap-top with a
braille display which is a bit bulky.

Regards,

Tim

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From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 24 July 2006 23:37
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?

there are already Braillenote, PacMATE AND Braille Sense on the market.
one has to wonder if there is really room for another player?

Most people are agreed I think that as the commercial PDA platforms
become more powerful and stable, these are likely to form the basis of
notetakers for visually impaired people in the future, even if companies
such as Humanware continues to develop programs like Keysoft for these
kind of devices in order to get productivity aimed at visually impaired
people combined with the relatively low price of a notetaker.

Cheers

Graham
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From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Soneil Info Anyone?


I saw the unit; it's a prototype and talk of prices and suppliers is a
bit premature. They're hoping to start production in September, but even
that isn't fixed yet. They still have to do some serious work on it -
the bloke said the idea is to get something with the power of Windows XP
(so that there's no messing about with pocket versions of Office and you
would be able to connect via USB and transfer material directly to a PC
without ActiveSync), but with the alternative of a quick-boot system
like some of the non-Windows notetakers if you just needed to make a
quick note or look up an email. The quick boot system is planned to be
Linux, and the tricky bit is going to be getting the quick boot system
able to pull information out of Windows XP applications - something
like, presumably, Outlook.

If they can do it, it sounds really good - but I'm not certain they will
be able to do it. The unit they were showing was incredibly light, as
all it really is is a few cards inside a box.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of tim.pennick@xxxxxx
Sent: 24 July 2006 13:57
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Soneil Info Anyone?

Hi All,

I was unable to attend sight village, and wondered if anyone's got any
more news on the launch of the new machines from Soneil.

A browse around Google yields some interesting, and in some cases
conflicting information, and their website still seems a bit lacking in
details (http://www.soneilves.com/ <http://www.soneilves.com/> ).

The info I've got so far is that there is to be a 40 and 20 cell Braille
version, possibly with at least one of these models being dual boot
possibly to Linux/XP Pro.

What I'm really after is a price, and any news of a UK distributor,
though I'd also be grateful for any reviews if anyone got to have a go
at Sight Village.

Regards and thanks for any info.

Tim Pennick

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