[bcab] Re: Programming as a career?

Hi Nigel.

I understand what your getting at however syntax is just the language you 
describe the solution in.

Computer programming and problem resolving using computer programming is one of 
the most logical things in computing as often the solution you come up with 
would mostly work in any language.

I do agree that some languages syntactically aren't as logical as they could be 
but it's the underlying semantic that are very logical.

Cheers.
Nick.


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Nigel
Sent: 24 March 2007 19:49
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Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?

Depending on how consistent the language is with it's syntax.

Nigel
Syntax error
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From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?


> Karina,
>
> Programming is probably one of the most logical things in computing next 
> to troubleshooting and knowledge base systems.
>
> Dj Paddy
>
> Ôà
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karina Gregory" <karina.gregory@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:16 AM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?
>
>
>> Hi Nick,
>> I'm sure that if I sat down and really looked at it then I'd be able to 
>> work
>> it out but I just like things to be logical and programming doesn't seem 
>> to
>> be very logical but if probably is if you know what you are doing.
>> Karina
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:09 PM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?
>>
>>
>> Hi Karina.
>>
>> It is probably quite true that you do have to have a bit of an odd mind
>> to get in to the deeps of programming. I'm quite happy to admit I have
>> an odd mind. Or as my wife puts it, I'm just weird.
>> <grins>
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Nick.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Karina Gregory
>> Sent: 21 March 2007 14:44
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?
>>
>> Hi Nick, I totally agree.  There's ways and means of overcoming the
>> minor
>> issues.  I didn't really have a problem with the graphical bit, I just
>> had a
>> problem knowing what software was available to help me and knowing how
>> accessible it was going to be and easy to use.  At the same time as
>> studying
>> and trying to keep up with everyone else it made it very tiring but as
>> you
>> say if you're determined enough you will then succeed.  It was the
>> programming bit I couldn't get my head around, the software development
>> bit
>> wasn't too bad at all.
>> Karina
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:48 AM
>> Subject: [bcab] Re: Programming as a career?
>>
>>
>> Hi Clive.
>>
>> In my experience that statement is completely inaccurate.
>>
>> You'll have to excuse the below text because I feel like a bit of a
>> ramble on a soap box!
>>
>> I am a professional Software Engineer (computer programmer) for a major
>> subcontractor for the UK MOD. It is true that in today's modern software
>> development environment that it isn't quite as easy for a blind person
>> to break in to as it has been in the past. This is mainly because
>> Software Engineering is more than just sitting at a computer coding.
>> It's now pretty much standard to use a full software development life
>> cycle which includes a Software Architecture phase. This is mostly done
>> in graphical modelling tools in a standard known as UML. (Unified
>> Modelling Language.). UML is designed to give an overall view of the
>> software at a high, (there's a Database part here, there's a web front
>> end here, there's some sort of hardware device here  and so on. The
>> communication between the components is also described in a graphical
>> form) and at a lower level write down nearly to the code.
>>
>> As UML is pretty much now the standard across the industry it is
>> necessary that any Software Engineer needs to be confident in this
>> graphical world. It takes initiative and effort for a blind person to
>> work around the graphical way of modelling but it can be done. That's
>> not just a in the air statement, I am a fully integrated member in our
>> Software Development Team of over 45 Software Engineers. I have come up
>> with solutions to reading other team members diagrams and also producing
>> diagrams for my own software.
>>
>> The other part of the Software Development life cycle which may cause
>> some blind people problems is the production of Graphical User
>> Interfaces. It should be pointed out at this point that a common
>> misconception of most people is that the User Interface is the main
>> thing and takes about 80% of the time coding to produce. This isn't the
>> case. On medium to complex systems the User Interface is probably around
>> 30% of the time coding. There are also techniques for a Blind developer
>> to produce User Interfaces. I've done this in 4 Different programming
>> languages independently. It is also possible for a Blind programmers
>> interface to be as neat and well laid out as a sighted developers. It's
>> been commented that most prototype software interfaces produced by the
>> other developers here isn't as neat or as well laid out as the end
>> version. Because of the mathematical way I produce interfaces often
>> prototype interfaces are very close to the end product that goes out of
>> the door. This is because when a sighted developer puts an interface
>> together they just tend to drag and drop objects on to the screen and
>> leave the tidying up until nearer the end of development. As I lay my
>> interfaces out in code often they are lined up and logically grouped.
>> This isn't me trying to brag but just what I've found in my experience.
>>
>> I could understand how some blind people would find it tuff to get the
>> concepts in modern software development however if they are determined
>> enough to succeed then they will.
>>
>> HTH.
>> Nick.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Clive Lever
>> Sent: 20 March 2007 22:59
>> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bcab] Programming as a career?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> in a more general discussion about employment of blind people on another
>> list, the following assertion was made:
>>
>> "programming arrived but I understand has changed and very few blind
>> people
>>> work in that field nowadays".   Discuss.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Clive
>>
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