-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Dart
Sent: 28 November 2008 09:39
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
Hello Roger
BlueTooth and Wi Fi both use radio waves, as does a cell
phone, but different frequency ranges. Practically, bluetooth
has a very limited range of a couple of metres while WiFi
seems to be about 10 metres and cell phones lots!
My stereo is a bit ancient but lovely and I can listen to it
for hours without getting listener fatigue. Most of the bits
were made before USB or WiFi. Trouble is, I can't afford to
replace it with more modern kit of the same quality (not even
sure if you can still get Quad Electrostatics).
Regards
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:19 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> Hi Tony,
>
> I may have misunderstood your question. I'm not sure about
your stereo,
but
> if it is blue tooth then I guess it could stream ok. This is only a
guess.
> General WI FI stuff seems easier to use nowadays and I now
connect my cell
> phone to the pc via wi fi which for some reason works
differently to blue
> tooth but I don't really understand it. As far as I can
work out, wifi
and
> blue tooth are different. This isn't a fact, but my
experience suggests
> that it is.
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Dart" <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:39 PM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Many thanks for your replies, Mel, Graham and Roger. I
took a quick look
> > at
> > Altec Lansings site as I have never heardof them and one
product they do
> > that looks quite interesting is a thin speaker called a
SoundBlade that
> > works with BlueTooth. About £90. This looks as though it has
possibilities
> > as they can be run off the mains or batteries, and the
quality would
> > probably be OK for speech (I don't use SpeakOn for music, juist
reading).
> >
> > A netBook with a really good flat speaker instead of a
screen would be a
> > fantastic media machine, though...
> >
> > Roger, I've got a BlueTooth donglethat was about £20 but
it is a USB
> > device
> > thatmakes a non-BlueTooth PC able to send/receive
BlueTooth - I can't
see
> > how it could be connected to the hi-fi. Or is there
another kind with
> > audio
> > output?
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:40 PM
> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >
> >
> >> Hi Tony,
> >>
> >> I bought a blue tooth dongle a couple of years ago from
PC world for
> > around
> >> £20. Guess they should be cheaper now. Can't remember
the make or
> > anything
> >> now. I don't have it anymore but have asked the guy who
now owns it
but
> >> he's not quick to respond.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tony Dart" <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:16 AM
> >> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello
> >> > One slight downside of the Advent 4211 is the awful
speakers. It's a
> >> > fantastic machine for mobile reading - using it with
SpeakOn has
meant
> >> > that
> >> > my BookCourier is pretty well redundant, andwith an
infra-red numeric
> > pad
> >> > I
> >> > can download and enjoy high-quality (or at least,
Daniel-quality!)
> > reading
> >> > in armchair comfort.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyne know of a wireless (Bluetooth?) device to
link a Netbook
to
> >> > a
> >> > hi-fi? That would be the final link in the search for
perfection.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Tony
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:35 PM
> >> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hi.
> >> >>
> >> >> Those Asus 901 machines are quite a good choice but a
friend bought
> >> >> one
> >> > and
> >> >> had a problem turning off the mouse pad. It got
damaged before I
> >> >> could
> >> > look
> >> >> at it myself but that's another story.
> >> >>
> >> >> How did you disable the mouse pad on yours or did you
not have to?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Graham
> >> >> Graham Page
> >> >> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
> >> >> Mobile: 07753 607980
> >> >> Fax: 0870 706 2773
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> >> >> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Léonie Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I've found my Asus 901 to be a good choice. The
hard drive is
small
> >> >> > at just 12Gb, but that suits me very well. It's
very light at
1.1Kg
> > and
> >> >> > small enough to fit neatly into my bag.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's got theusual array of wireless, bluetooth,
USB, integrated
web
> >> >> > cam etc. Battery runs between five and seven hours,
depending on
how
> >> > much
> >> >> > the wireless is being used. Léonie.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Léonie.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > http://www.tink.co.uk/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> > On
> >> >> > Behalf
> >> >> > Of Graham Page
> >> >> > Sent: 26 November 2008 10:12
> >> >> > To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Tim.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Firstly, no I don't think you are asking too much
at all. I have
an
> >> >> > Advent
> >> >> > 4211 netbook from PCWorld. I use this as a note
taking device
while
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > about as I currently do not have any kind of
Braille note taker.
It
> >> > does
> >> >> > take some time to boot but that is not normally a
problem. I use
it
> > at
> >> >> > home
> >> >> > running Skype and Windows Messenger. I can still
edit Microsoft
> >> >> > Office
> >> >> > documents using Office 2003 while these programs are still
running.
> > I
> >> > can
> >> >> > also listen to MP3 files with Winamp or Windows
Media Player. I
> >> >> > have
> >> > not
> >> >> > tried DVDs but I am told they work Fine with an
external player as
> > you
> >> >> > say.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > most of the netbooks for £200 such as the Asus
EEEPC range up to
the
> >> > Asus
> >> >> > EEEPC 900 have 8.5 inch screens and a relatively
small keyboard
> >> >> > which
> >> > some
> >> >> > still find to be OK. Personally I prefer the
keyboards on the
> > slightly
> >> >> > bigger models with 10 inch screens such as the
AdventPC 4211 or
the
> >> >> > Samsung
> >> >> > NC10 or the Asus EEEPC 1000. You can go to Curries
or PC World
and
> > get
> >> > a
> >> >> > feel of these laptops for yourself. The staff know
nothing about
> > these
> >> >> > systems in my experience but at least you will be
able to have a
> > hands
> >> > on.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Advent 4211 which I have is also marketed as
the MSI Wind and
> > there
> >> > is
> >> >> > also a modle produced by a company called Median or
something like
> >> >> > that.
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > has a good keyboard and it is easy to disable the
mouse pad which
is
> > a
> >> >> > must
> >> >> > on these machines. The only problem is battery
life which is
about
> >> >> > 2
> >> >> > hours.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You can get bigger batteries than the 3 cell
battery supplied. I
> >> >> > bought
> >> > a
> >> >> > 9
> >> >> > cell battery but this is really too big as it
sticks a long way
out
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >> > bottom. A 6 cell giving just over 4 hours would
have been a much
> >> >> > better
> >> >> > compromise I think. With the 3 dell battery the
price is £279.00
> > from
> >> > PC
> >> >> > World or Curries. They also do an Advent 4213
which has built in
> >> >> > Mobile
> >> >> > Broadband access and includes a slot for a sim
card. At £349.00
or
> >> >> > something like that it's a bit pricey and I think it feels
plasticky
> > as
> >> >> > well
> >> >> > but that's just my opinion of course.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The one that everyone is in to at the moment seems to be the
Samsung
> >> > NC10
> >> >> > which has very similar specifications to the Advent
4211 but with
a
> >> >> > 6
> >> > cell
> >> >> > battery and much better battery life lasting
roughly 7 hours in
> > tests.
> >> >> > With
> >> >> > speech running and connected to a WiFi network you
should get over
5
> >> > hours
> >> >> > of battery life.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have not yet been able to get hands on a Samsung
NC10 so I can't
> > say
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > I prefer from a design and ergonomic point of view.
I do know
that
> > the
> >> >> > NC10
> >> >> > is available in white, blue or black and for some
reason the white
> >> >> > model
> >> >> > costs about £30 more than the others which cost
£399 from Curries
or
> > PC
> >> >> > World.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > All these 10 inch models have similar
specifications. They have
the
> >> >> > new
> >> >> > Intel Atom processor. I've had a tempory mind
blank on the exact
> > model
> >> >> > name
> >> >> > of it. It runs at a speed of 1.6 GHz and employs
multithreading
> >> >> > technology
> >> >> > used in some Pentium processors. It is efficient
and is the main
> >> >> > reason
> >> >> > why
> >> >> > battery life has increased on laptops using it.
There is 1 GB of
> >> >> > RAM
> >> >> > provided which works well for general day to day
tasks. This can
be
> >> >> > increased to 2 GB I think. You also get 3 USB
ports and an SD
card
> >> >> > reader.
> >> >> > Bluetooth and WiFI come as standard. Most are not
yet draft-n but
> > they
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > fast enough for most purposes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If I were you I would look at the Samsung NC10 or
the Advent 4211.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Graham
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Asus EEEPC1000 is also pretty good though at £
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: <tim.pennick@xxxxxx>
> >> >> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:10 AM
> >> >> > Subject: [bcab] Netbooks
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A recent reference to Netbooks on this list set me
thinking. A
> >> > colleague
> >> >> > recently bought a netbook for round about 200£
which I though was
a
> > bit
> >> > of
> >> >> > a
> >> >> >
> >> >> > bargain, seeing as the laptop I use, which is only
about 18 months
> > old,
> >> >> > cost
> >> >> >
> >> >> > in the region of 1200. The laptop really struggles
with JAWS, and
I
> >> >> > wondered what peoples' experiences with Netbooks had been.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I want to be able to run MS Office, or cut-dow
version thereof,
> > Outlook
> >> >> > Express, Wi-Fi, stream audio, possibly play DVDs,
(probably via
> >> >> > external
> >> >> > DVD
> >> >> >
> >> >> > drive), and possibly run the Nebula Digi-TV TV
tuner on it. Am I
> >> >> > asking
> >> >> > too
> >> >> >
> >> >> > much if I'm running JAWS as well?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tim
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tim Pennick
> >> >> > Senior Researcher
> >> >> > BT Innovate
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> >> >> > Visit the digital home of the future:
> >> >> >
http://www.btplc.com/Innovation/Strategy/explore/DigitalHome/indexhtm
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