[bcab] Re: Netbooks

Tony,

I may have missed something here, but if you have an infra-red keypad (which I 
believe you said you had)so don't need to be in physical contact with your 
netbook, why couldn't you just use a lead with the appropriate plugs, to 
connect your netbook to your Hi-Fi?

Regards,

Tim 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Dart
> Sent: 28 November 2008 09:39
> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> 
> Hello Roger
> 
> BlueTooth and Wi Fi both use radio waves, as does a cell 
> phone, but different frequency ranges. Practically, bluetooth 
> has a very limited range of a couple of metres while WiFi 
> seems to be about 10 metres and cell phones lots!
> 
> My stereo is a bit ancient but lovely and I can listen to it 
> for hours without getting listener fatigue. Most of the bits 
> were made before USB or WiFi. Trouble is, I can't afford to 
> replace it with more modern kit of the same quality (not even 
> sure if you can still get Quad Electrostatics).
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:19 AM
> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> 
> 
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > I may have misunderstood your question.  I'm not sure about 
> your stereo,
> but
> > if it is blue tooth then I guess it could stream ok.  This is only a
> guess.
> > General WI FI stuff seems easier to use nowadays and I now 
> connect my cell
> > phone to the pc via wi fi which for some reason works 
> differently to blue
> > tooth but I don't really understand it.  As far as I can 
> work out, wifi
> and
> > blue tooth are different.  This isn't a fact, but my 
> experience suggests
> > that it is.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tony Dart" <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:39 PM
> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> >
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your replies, Mel, Graham and Roger. I 
> took a quick look
> > > at
> > > Altec Lansings site as I have never heardof them and one 
> product they do
> > > that looks quite interesting is a thin speaker called a 
> SoundBlade that
> > > works with BlueTooth. About £90. This looks as though it has
> possibilities
> > > as they can be run off the mains or batteries, and the 
> quality would
> > > probably be OK for speech (I don't use SpeakOn for music, juist
> reading).
> > >
> > > A netBook with a really good flat speaker instead of a 
> screen would be a
> > > fantastic media machine, though...
> > >
> > > Roger, I've got a BlueTooth donglethat was about £20 but 
> it is a USB
> > > device
> > > thatmakes a non-BlueTooth PC able to send/receive 
> BlueTooth - I can't
> see
> > > how it could be connected to the hi-fi. Or is there 
> another kind with
> > > audio
> > > output?
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 5:40 PM
> > > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi Tony,
> > >>
> > >> I bought a blue tooth dongle a couple of years ago from 
> PC world for
> > > around
> > >> £20.  Guess they should be cheaper now.  Can't remember 
> the make or
> > > anything
> > >> now.  I don't have it anymore but have asked the guy who 
> now owns it
> but
> > >> he's not quick to respond.
> > >>
> > >> Roger
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: "Tony Dart" <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:16 AM
> > >> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Hello
> > >> > One slight downside of the Advent 4211 is the awful 
> speakers. It's a
> > >> > fantastic machine for mobile reading - using it with 
> SpeakOn has
> meant
> > >> > that
> > >> > my BookCourier is pretty well redundant, andwith an 
> infra-red numeric
> > > pad
> > >> > I
> > >> > can download and enjoy high-quality (or at least, 
> Daniel-quality!)
> > > reading
> > >> > in armchair comfort.
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anyne know of a wireless (Bluetooth?) device to 
> link a Netbook
> to
> > >> > a
> > >> > hi-fi? That would be the final link in the search for 
> perfection.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> > Tony
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> > From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:35 PM
> > >> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Those Asus 901 machines are quite a good choice but a 
> friend bought
> > >> >> one
> > >> > and
> > >> >> had a problem turning off the mouse pad.  It got 
> damaged before I
> > >> >> could
> > >> > look
> > >> >> at it myself but that's another story.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How did you disable the mouse pad on yours or did you 
> not have to?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Graham
> > >> >> Graham Page
> > >> >> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
> > >> >> Mobile: 07753 607980
> > >> >> Fax:  0870 706 2773
> > >> >> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> >> From: "Léonie Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:47 PM
> > >> >> Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > I've found my Asus 901 to be a good choice. The 
> hard drive is
> small
> > >> >> > at just 12Gb, but that suits me very well. It's 
> very light at
> 1.1Kg
> > > and
> > >> >> > small enough to fit neatly into my bag.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It's got theusual array of wireless, bluetooth, 
> USB, integrated
> web
> > >> >> > cam etc. Battery runs between five and seven hours, 
> depending on
> how
> > >> > much
> > >> >> > the wireless is being used. Léonie.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Léonie.
> > >> >> > -- 
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> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> >> > On
> > >> >> > Behalf
> > >> >> > Of Graham Page
> > >> >> > Sent: 26 November 2008 10:12
> > >> >> > To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Netbooks
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Hi Tim.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Firstly, no I don't think you are asking too much 
> at all.  I have
> an
> > >> >> > Advent
> > >> >> > 4211 netbook from PCWorld.  I use this as a note 
> taking device
> while
> > >> >> > out
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > about as I currently do not have any kind of 
> Braille note taker.
> It
> > >> > does
> > >> >> > take some time to boot but that is not normally a 
> problem.  I use
> it
> > > at
> > >> >> > home
> > >> >> > running Skype and  Windows Messenger.  I can still 
> edit Microsoft
> > >> >> > Office
> > >> >> > documents using Office 2003 while these programs are still
> running.
> > > I
> > >> > can
> > >> >> > also listen to MP3 files with Winamp or Windows 
> Media Player.  I
> > >> >> > have
> > >> > not
> > >> >> > tried DVDs but I am told they work Fine with an 
> external player as
> > > you
> > >> >> > say.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > most of the netbooks for £200 such as the Asus 
> EEEPC range up to
> the
> > >> > Asus
> > >> >> > EEEPC 900 have 8.5 inch screens and a relatively 
> small keyboard
> > >> >> > which
> > >> > some
> > >> >> > still find to be OK.  Personally I prefer the 
> keyboards on the
> > > slightly
> > >> >> > bigger models with 10 inch screens such as the 
> AdventPC 4211 or
> the
> > >> >> > Samsung
> > >> >> > NC10 or the Asus EEEPC 1000.  You can go to Curries 
> or PC World
> and
> > > get
> > >> > a
> > >> >> > feel of these laptops for yourself.  The staff know 
> nothing about
> > > these
> > >> >> > systems in my experience but at least you will be 
> able to have a
> > > hands
> > >> > on.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The Advent 4211 which I have is also marketed as 
> the MSI Wind and
> > > there
> > >> > is
> > >> >> > also a modle produced by a company called Median or 
> something like
> > >> >> > that.
> > >> >> > It
> > >> >> > has a good keyboard and it is easy to disable the 
> mouse pad which
> is
> > > a
> > >> >> > must
> > >> >> > on these machines.  The only problem is battery 
> life which is
> about
> > >> >> > 2
> > >> >> > hours.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You can get bigger batteries than the 3 cell 
> battery supplied.  I
> > >> >> > bought
> > >> > a
> > >> >> > 9
> > >> >> > cell battery but this is really too big as it 
> sticks a long way
> out
> > > of
> > >> > the
> > >> >> > bottom.  A 6 cell giving just over 4 hours would 
> have been a much
> > >> >> > better
> > >> >> > compromise I think.  With the 3 dell battery the 
> price is £279.00
> > > from
> > >> > PC
> > >> >> > World or Curries.  They also do an Advent 4213 
> which has built in
> > >> >> > Mobile
> > >> >> > Broadband access and includes a slot for a sim 
> card.  At £349.00
> or
> > >> >> > something like that it's a bit pricey and I think it feels
> plasticky
> > > as
> > >> >> > well
> > >> >> > but that's just my opinion of course.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The one that everyone is in to at the moment seems to be the
> Samsung
> > >> > NC10
> > >> >> > which has very similar specifications to the Advent 
> 4211 but with
> a
> > >> >> > 6
> > >> > cell
> > >> >> > battery and much better battery life lasting 
> roughly 7 hours in
> > > tests.
> > >> >> > With
> > >> >> > speech running and connected to a WiFi network you 
> should get over
> 5
> > >> > hours
> > >> >> > of battery life.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I have not yet been able to get hands on a Samsung 
> NC10 so I can't
> > > say
> > >> >> > which
> > >> >> > I prefer from a design and ergonomic point of view. 
>  I do know
> that
> > > the
> > >> >> > NC10
> > >> >> > is available in white, blue or black and for some 
> reason the white
> > >> >> > model
> > >> >> > costs about £30 more than the others which cost 
> £399 from Curries
> or
> > > PC
> > >> >> > World.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > All these 10 inch models have similar 
> specifications.  They have
> the
> > >> >> > new
> > >> >> > Intel Atom processor.  I've had a tempory mind 
> blank on the exact
> > > model
> > >> >> > name
> > >> >> > of it.  It runs at a speed of 1.6 GHz and employs 
> multithreading
> > >> >> > technology
> > >> >> > used in some Pentium processors.  It is efficient 
> and is the main
> > >> >> > reason
> > >> >> > why
> > >> >> > battery life has increased on laptops using it.  
> There is 1 GB of
> > >> >> > RAM
> > >> >> > provided which works well for general day to day 
> tasks.  This can
> be
> > >> >> > increased to 2 GB I think.  You also get 3 USB 
> ports and an SD
> card
> > >> >> > reader.
> > >> >> > Bluetooth and WiFI come as standard.  Most are not 
> yet draft-n but
> > > they
> > >> >> > are
> > >> >> > fast enough for most purposes.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > If I were you I would look at the Samsung NC10 or 
> the Advent 4211.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Graham
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The Asus EEEPC1000 is also pretty good though at £
> > >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > From: <tim.pennick@xxxxxx>
> > >> >> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:10 AM
> > >> >> > Subject: [bcab] Netbooks
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Hi All,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > A recent reference to Netbooks on this list set me 
> thinking.  A
> > >> > colleague
> > >> >> > recently bought a netbook for round about 200£ 
> which I though was
> a
> > > bit
> > >> > of
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > bargain, seeing as the laptop I use, which is only 
> about 18 months
> > > old,
> > >> >> > cost
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > in the region of 1200.  The laptop really struggles 
> with JAWS, and
> I
> > >> >> > wondered what peoples' experiences with Netbooks had been.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I want to be able to run MS Office, or cut-dow 
> version thereof,
> > > Outlook
> > >> >> > Express, Wi-Fi, stream audio, possibly play DVDs, 
> (probably via
> > >> >> > external
> > >> >> > DVD
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > drive), and possibly run the Nebula Digi-TV TV 
> tuner on it.  Am I
> > >> >> > asking
> > >> >> > too
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > much if I'm running JAWS as well?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Tim
> > >> >> >
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