[bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc

"I think that on the M-audio 2496 there is a setting to circumnavigate this 
problem."

Yes, that type of card will both run 44.1KHz @ 16 bit and would not have SCMS 
however this is not your average consumer soundcard typical in most PCs that 
people use.  Having said this I once had a problem making a digital clone of an 
MD out of a consumer MD deck into a similarly specced M-Audio firewire external 
module.  I kept having the digital signal drift causing nasty distortion from 
time to time and I am pretty certain that SCMS on the output might have been 
causing problems.  I did not investigate much further because I was able to 
make a perfectly serviceable analogue transfer given the hardware I had to hand.

Regards.

Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk

Mail:
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Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Phone:
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Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and 
Wales, with company number 1408275.  

Sight and Sound Technology
Welton House North Wing
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
joe paton
Sent: 29 May 2009 14:34
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc

Hi Tris,

I think that on the M-audio 2496 there is a setting to circumnavigate this 
problem.  Not sure, it's in the hardware tab, and the options are consumer or 
proffessional. As I say, i'm not sure about this, but it might be worth 
checking further.

Joe Paton

  At 17:00 27/05/2009, you wrote:
>"I'm no expert on SCMS, but doesn't it need special circuitry (not 
>present in a soundcard) to operate?"
>
>SCMS was installed on all manner of consumer goods including consumer 
>soundcards.
>
>Regards.
>
>Tristram Llewellyn
>Sight and Sound Technology
>Technical Support
>www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
>Mail:
>Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Phone:
>Support line: 0845 634 7979
>
>Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England 
>and Wales, with company number 1408275.
>
>Sight and Sound Technology
>Welton House North Wing
>Summerhouse Road
>Moulton Park
>Northampton
>NN3 6WD
>
>VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Dart
>Sent: 27 May 2009 16:02
>To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
>
>Hello Tristam
>
>I'm no expert on SCMS, but doesn't it need special circuitry (not 
>present in a soundcard) to operate? I seem to remember Amstrad 
>producing and early CD Copier with this feature and reading that CDs 
>could be copied on PCs without problem (apart from the snap, crackle 
>and pop of noisy electronics).
>
>I guess it really comes down to spending x hours re-recording MDs to 
>CD, or y hours re-downloading the mp3s to CD.
>
>Regards
>Tony
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:20 PM
>Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
>
>
> > "I used to use the optical SP/DIF out that comes on most Sony MDs to 
> > a
>compatible soundcard with Sound Forge. This gave excellent results and  
>very easy to setup."
> >
> > This might be a good solution but if the MD discs are compiled from 
> > CD
>originally made using a digital connection themselves they may fall 
>fouls of SCMS copy protection at the point where signals reach the 
>soundcard.  I think the original poster also was baulking at the time 
>investment.
> >
> > However my suggestion is using something like soundforge or goldwave 
> > to
>record the whole disc.  It doesn't take long to top and tail tracks 
>with a little practice.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Tristram Llewellyn
> > Sight and Sound Technology
> > Technical Support
> > www.sightandsound.co.uk
> >
> > Mail:
> > Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx General - 
> > info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Phone:
> > Support line: 0845 634 7979
> >
> > Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in 
> > England and
>Wales, with company number 1408275.
> >
> > Sight and Sound Technology
> > Welton House North Wing
> > Summerhouse Road
> > Moulton Park
> > Northampton
> > NN3 6WD
> >
> > VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > On
>Behalf Of Tony Dart
> > Sent: 27 May 2009 08:30
> > To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I used to use the optical SP/DIF out that comes on most Sony MDs to 
> > a
>compatible soundcard with Sound Forge. This gave excellent results and  
>very easy to setup.
> > HTH
> > Tony
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25 AM
> > Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
> >
> >
> > > You are completely right but even these could not deliver mp3 
> > > copies of
> > the
> > > tracks on your PC .
> > > You have the use the horrible and inaccessible SonicStage software 
> > > to
> > import
> > > and export from the Net MD.
> > >
> > > These restrictions were inbuilt by Sony to  provide copy 
> > > protection of music.
> > >
> > > As far as I recall  there was a professional solution to this 
> > > which
> > involved
> > > buying an MD drive for your PC and special software but this was 
> > > horrendously expensive, at about £2,000, again to deter copying of 
> > > copy right material.
> > >
> > > There was also a third party USB sound card which claimed to be 
> > > able to
> > take
> > > an SDIF optical cable  from the Net MD and produce a accessible copies.
> > I
> > > do not think many were made and they were very difficult to track down.
> > > Unfortunately I cannot remember  what this was called. I know I 
> > > spent a
> > bout
> > > a year trying to find one before I simply stopped using my MD 
> > > players
>and
> > > moved onto mp3 players.
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Griffith
> > > Read my User Review of the EyePal Scanner 
> > > http://www.nonags.org/members/dajgriff/Review_EyePal.htm
> > >
> > > My Low Vision Resources Web Site  is 
> > > http://www.nonags.org/members/dajgriff/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > > On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Kulvinder
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 19:50
> > > To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
> > >
> > > I believe they were called netdisc.
> > > Kulvinder Singh Bhogal
> > > Skypename: bobba2006
> > > Windows messenger: Kulvinder@xxxxxxxx
> > > Mobile: 07792888797
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tristram Llewellyn" 
> > > <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:56 PM
> > > Subject: [bcab] Re: Copying mini discs to pc
> > >
> > >
> > > > Some portable minidiscs that came from Sony had a means to 
> > > > transmit
>data
> > > > faster than realtime to a PC however if you have not got one of 
> > > > those then there isn't an alternative to the line-in using that 
> > > > player that
>I
> > > > have heard of.
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > > Tristram Llewellyn
> > > > Sight and Sound Technology
> > > > Technical Support
> > > > www.sightandsound.co.uk
> > > >
> > > > Mail:
> > > > Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx General - 
> > > > info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Phone:
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> > > >
> > > > Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in 
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