Hear Hear!. Now we're talking.
This is my philosophy as well. And that is why I "compete" using my edc
gear.
I admit I use a quasi competition holster much of the time because SO's are
really just getting to know me. But once or twice per month, I use IWB
holster. And I also shoot my carry ammo in range time as well as in matches
once a month.
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Barry Berger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
In IDPA, I shoot the exact same gun, factory ammo, the exact same in the
waistband holster, and conceal it with the exact same sweatshirt I wear
when I carry around town. The extra magazines on my belt are to play the
game. I don't believe the second amendment has much to do with games on
Sunday. My volunteer work at the club is support of the 2nd amendment.
I consider this training as well as a fun game. I am hoping to get more
targets moving in the future. Watch Surveillance videos of defensive
shootings and you see nobody is holding still and everybody's running for
cover. Did you guys see the video of the cop shooting that knife wielding
POS in a schoolyard yesterday? There were kids all over the place so we
need to stress accuracy also. I am hoping that the increased penalty for
just wounding the target will get me to acquire the sights faster.
Retreating and moving to cover first sounds more court defensible than
just hunting down targets.
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On Fri, 12/9/16, Jack Folloni <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: [bas] Re: IDPA 1 sec PD - what if
To: "bas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, December 9, 2016, 12:00 AM
I shoot a similar gun
(gen 2 G-17) to the one I carry, but the sights are fiber
optic and the trigger and loads are lighter. Shooting is
just a sport to me - like tennis or golf.
For self defense I've got a big dog and an
ugly wife! ;D
Everybody starts out buying
a gun for self defense, and pretty quickly they start
shooting it for fun!
Best -
Jack
From: Bill Stewart <stewartbill06@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
bas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 6:22
PM
Subject: [bas] Re: IDPA 1 sec PD - what
if
I agree
with the idea of finding proper balance between speed and
accuracy. Too slow, and you lose your life. Too fast, and
you spray shotgun patterns, run out of ammo, and lose your
life. Finding that sweet spot is the key.
I'm curious to know how many shooters
approach IDPA as a game vs as training/conditioning? Asked
another way, how many shoot with their carry gun? No long
slides, no light loads, standard trigger (not 2 1/2 lb), no
flared mag wells, no magazine weights. How many shoot with a
true stock carry gun vs a race gun?
I find
it important to train and condition with what I carry so I
don't get lulled into sense of overconvidence with
flared mag well or light trigger etc. I am one who
approaches IDPA as training and testing myself and my weapon
under some pressure (admittedly, not life threatening, but
still match pressure).
I am curious about
responses on this. ThanksBill
On Thu, Dec 8,
2016 at 4:02 PM, Seth Wish <wishse@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Wade, well said!
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Wade
Price <wade.price@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
As Jack says it’s
best to be both fast and accurate. However, we usually have
to trade off one for the other. In real life, it’s
important to determine which is more important under the
circumstances at hand.
IDPA tries to be as
realistic as feasible. However, IDPA is not real life. No
scoring system is perfect. With time plus scoring, IDPA
adopted a scoring system that is simple, but is not always
realistic. This is most noticeable on very short strings of
fire, e.g. the "Yo Homie” stage, which was: draw and
engage with two rounds, strong hand only, a threat three
feet away and then and engage with two rounds to the body,
one to the head, freestyle, a threat five feet away.
On “Yo Homie," I averaged five shots in
2.65 seconds per string. Under the new rules, a single point
down would add a full second to my time which is a 38%
penalty! 2 points down would be a 75% penalty! Because of
the penalty, I might be inclined slow down by a second to
insure I go down zero. However, in real life, slowing down
by a second could be the difference between life and death.
In real life, I would happily go "down two" in
order to neutralize two deadly threats one second faster.
One second is an eternity.
That said, for
typical IDPA stages, I don’t think doubling the points
down penalty really matters. I also don’t think it will
change the match results very much. My biggest concern is
that it will encourage people to simply slow down rather
than practice to shoot more accurately at the same speed,
which could be the difference between life and death in a
real life deadly force encounter.
Wade
On Dec 8, 2016, at 2:25 PM,
Bill Stewart <stewartbill06@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I'm not a fast shooter. In fact,
my scores tend towards bottom of pack. But I tend to be one
of the more accurate. And that's fine with me because my
philosophy is basically survival: I'm more interested in
ensuring the guy is down rather than dazzle him with the
footwork >;-) So I'm ok with the new scoring. I was
just curious from math perspective cause I'm an
engineer
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM,
Jack Folloni <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Bill.
It's the story of life....You gotta be accurate and you
gotta be fast! ;)
In
USPSA with hit factor scoring you can often times favor
speed over accuracy. Because "time" is the
divisor. In IDPA's "time plus" scoring I can
almost never shoot faster than the 'add on time' of
a shot out of the 'O' zone. That will be even more
true in 2017.
So
it's call (just about) every shot in IDPA. Rare are
the occasions for hosing!
Best -
Jack
From: Bill Stewart <stewartbill06@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:53
AM
Subject: [bas] IDPA 1 sec PD - what
if
--Hi
I'm new to the list. I
shoot IDPA at Bradford as well as other clubs
Looking at the new 1 sec down rule, I decided
to see how it would affect our last match (Dec 6). I
simply added another 1/2 second to final scores for everyone
(see final two columns). Overall, it didn't make a big
deal. But (not surprisingly), anyone with high amount of
downs did move down.
I sent this to Wade,
and he suggested I post it.
Bill Stewart
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