[bactttoma] Re: Ben Matthews. A sighted journalists observations of audio announcements on Victorian Public Transport services.

  • From: steven taylor <steven_taylor10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bactttoma@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:50:48 +1000

Well maybe not Vision Australia, but would consider Blind Citizens Australia 
for sure.

I was so tempted to send this to the vip-l list, but after last time, forget it.

Don't agree with everything he said but it's a fairly accurate assessment.

The method will be questioned I'll bet my house on it.

Sometimes sighted people have to adopt methods we may not agree with to get a 
true sense of our situation.


On 03/05/2010, at 10:34 AM, steven taylor wrote:

> Ben Matthews.
> 
> This report is damning and the whole Victorian industry should hang 
> themselves in the public square as far as I am concerned.
> 
> I make no bones about it, I am sighted, I don't need audio announcements, my 
> sight is good enough to read printed boards, but I would hate to lose my 
> sight and have to rely on audio announcements should I say the lack of audio 
> announcements, and not to mention, the lack of clarity with these so called 
> live announcements.
> 
> Hang yourselves in the public square and be prepared to be flogged Victorian 
> Public Transport.
> 
> To successfully undertake this research, I bought a blind fold because I 
> wanted to know what it would be like to have to totally rely on audio 
> announcements.
> 
> I took no assistant with me which I usually do on this type of research, 
> again, I wanted to know what assistance I would get as a blind person.
> 
> I should mention I peeped a few times that is a habit of somebody who knows 
> they have sight at the end of the day.
> 
> I didn't use the white cane given by Vision Australia, I don't like 
> pretending I am blind, so adopted a crude design of my own, making it fairly 
> obvious I wasn't really blind, because the last thing I needed was some 
> sticky nose member of the public having me arrested and Vision Australia 
> getting bad press.
> 
> So prepared to take a v-line journey and took a train to Bendigo from 
> Southern Cross.
> 
> All was going well, until the live audio announcement which was in such poor 
> english telling me of a last minute switch of platforms, a common thing for 
> v-line to do these days.
> 
> Ok peeped enough to get there, wasn't prepared to miss the train, I needed it 
> for the research and I had deadlines to meet even though I am a freelance 
> journalist.
> 
> Eventually got on the train, got an audio announcement from the train 
> conductor when it departed to tell us where this train was going and what 
> stations it would stop.
> 
> That was the first and last audio announcement we got, nothing for the rest 
> of the trip.
> 
> Didn't even see the conductor or hear her checking tickets so if I was 
> getting off in Woodend, would have had no idea where it was being blind, but 
> blind people tell me they can count stops and count the times they hear doors 
> opening.
> 
> Well fair enough, but what they didn't tell anyone was the train stopped at 
> Footscray and yes I admit it, I peeped but imagine if I couldn't and I was 
> counting?
> 
> I would have lost count for sure I think.
> 
> Train eventually arrived in Bendigo again no audio to tell me this, I figured 
> this out thanks to another passengers help, but god only knows what would 
> have happened if I was permanently blind and the carriage was empty.
> 
> So took the trip back to Melbourne, same conductor, same lack of audio 
> announcements, but this time the tickets were checked.
> 
> I decided to put her to the test.
> 
> We were stopping in Castlemain, so asked her if she would come and assist me 
> when we got there.
> 
> She did not turn up for assistance and at Woodend she apologised and assured 
> me she would have me back on the next train, I told her to forget it.
> 
> But to bad if I really wanted that stop and to bad if my brother was 
> expecting me to be there to drive me to his house, what a joke.
> 
> Got back to Southern Cross and decided to go and complain.
> 
> The gentlemen couldn't understand english I complained too but we eventually 
> sorted it out that he would report this complaint to his supervisor.
> 
> Time to see if he did and no he never went to his supervisor.
> 
> So waited until the end of his shift and followed him to a car.
> 
> Hey mate, you didn't tell the supervisor about my complaint buddy.
> 
> No sorry, I forgot, I am going home now and how blind are you?
> 
> I told him this wasn't about how blind I was or how blind I am, or how blind 
> I may be tonight or tomorrow, this was and is about you not doing your job.
> 
> He got aggressive and told me to get lost, not exactly those words, the 
> english improved all of a sudden and threatened to call the police.
> 
> Not one for backing down, I got out my mobile phone and showed it to him and 
> said, here my pleasure, call them.
> 
> He got in his car and took off like the wind and I had to get out of the way 
> or risk injury or being killed.
> 
> Time to find his supervisor.
> 
> V-line were not exactly helpful with this matter, but eventually tracked down 
> this supervisor and handed him my written complaint.
> 
> All I got is an apology, no assurances anything would or could be done, not 
> good enough but he told me to go to station manager office.
> 
> You bet I did too.
> 
> At the station managers office, had to wait 25 minutes for a woman who got 
> very irate the moment she saw me.
> 
> Oh it's you Matthews is it?
> 
> It's me Mr. Matthews or Ben is nicer thanks I said and now we need a serious 
> talk.
> 
> She listened, took notes, took a copy of my complaint and assured me she 
> would speak to this conductor and the other 2 people as well and I assured 
> her, I would be around snooping to insure it happened and action was taken.
> 
> She got the message and action was taken the next morning which I was allowed 
> to see without snooping.
> 
> After the action which was that this conductor was reprimanded the 2 
> gentlemen were spoken too but nothing happened to them, time for me to catch 
> a metro train and experience the next part of my research.
> 
> So took a train to Frankston I have a favourite fish and chip shop I like 
> there for lunch.
> 
> The train was packed in all carriages, but I eventually found a seat in the 
> last carriage with I admit a lot of peeping.
> 
> All the audio announcements were working well until we got to Caulfield.
> 
> After that, they were spasmodic which is the only fair description I can give.
> 
> The announcements when they did happen were clear enough however and we were 
> told the train was terminating when we got to Frankston.
> 
> Went and had my lunch and took a walk around and headed back to the train 
> station.
> 
> Got the train and low and behold, absolutely no audio announcements at all.
> 
> Thinking that it was only for this carriage I was in, went and observed other 
> carriages, but nothing happened with audio announcements, it was one of the 
> newer trains.
> 
> At Flinders Street, decided to speak to the train driver to see what happened 
> to be told he forgot altogether and wasn't sure it was working anyway.
> 
> I know a fair bit about train driving so asked him where this train was now 
> going to be told it was a Packingham service.
> 
> I asked if I could accompany him in the cabin he obliged even though this is 
> against regulations.
> 
> We took off and I had decided I was getting off at Richmond, we were going 
> through the loop first.
> 
> I discovered the button where I thought it would be and pressed it just 
> before Southern Cross.
> 
> Sure enough it worked and the announcement was even heard in the cabin.
> 
> I got off at Richmond and next morning headed in to the office where you 
> complain about train drivers.
> 
> The man was genuinely disturbed and said it wasn't good enough.  He wasn't 
> happy to hear I broke regulations, but when I told him why and what I did and 
> what I said to the driver he was actually pleased.
> 
> Well, the action was this driver has been terminated but I found out this was 
> because of a whole lot of stuff and not just because of what I did or didn't 
> do.
> 
> Time for a tram ride today.
> 
> Have trams ever heard of audio announcements?
> 
> Most of them are fully equipped for it no doubts about that, but if blind 
> people get audio announcements on trams, I would like to know which ones and 
> when, because I found one tram in all the hundreds on the roads.
> 
> And it was an 86 tram I was using to go to an interview in Thornbury with a 
> woman having housing commission trouble.
> 
> Oh but get this.  As soon as we left Spring Street the announcements stopped 
> altogether.
> 
> Just as well there were passengers and I was close to the driver for 
> shouting, otherwise, with the blind fold on and without peeping, I would have 
> had no idea at all.
> 
> The driver was kind enough to announce stop 38 where I was going however.
> 
> If you take a bus as a blind person, you can forget audio announcements, they 
> don't exist at all.
> 
> Now for travellers aid.
> 
> An extremely good service no doubts about it and they insisted I stay with 
> them till they were sure the train was at its right platform, seems to be the 
> only safe solution if you are permanently blind.
> 
> As far as Metro trains go, some train stations have no staff, so unless you 
> have what is called good orientation and mobility skills, you can forget 
> about assistance there is none for some stations.
> 
> Worse still, I found at least 17 train stations with no tactile ground 
> indicators at all not even on the platform edge, go figure.
> 
> Not to mention, of all the stations I searched, only 3 working public 
> telephone boxes, and only one unstaffed station with any assistance.
> 
> If you are permanently blind, insure you have a mobile phone for sure.
> 
> Finally, time for a taxi.
> 
> The whole industry is a joke here even for sighted people and god only knows 
> how blind people don't get ripped off, and not to mention drivers who look 
> absolutely nothing like their drivers identification photographs.
> 
> The final test.
> 
> Don't attempt this without permission from a dog guide service provider.
> 
> Took a pr dog in a harness to a taxi rank to wait there for a cab.
> 
> Driver pulls up looks around and takes off.
> 
> Second car pulls up looks around asks me where I am going and asks me for dog 
> card.
> 
> I take out dog card, he looks at this, says no I can't take you and drives 
> off.
> 
> Third driver pulls up x pommy from England only to happy to accommodate the 
> dog guide and I tell him I am taking it back to where I got the dog from.
> 
> No worries we go their, but I am trying to resist the feeling of peeping at 
> the fair.
> 
> I resist it and when we get there with little hold up in traffic he tells me 
> the fair and it's reasonable so pay the money.
> 
> I want to repeat this exercise at another rank so do so.
> 
> Get to rank with dog guide and driver pulls up and takes dog but makes no 
> secret he's unhappy with taking dog.
> 
> I got sick of this so paid him the fair and the tip to get out of there and 
> got another cab only to find this driver was a woman even though the 
> identification looked like a bloke.
> 
> What's going on here?
> 
> I am driving for my brother.
> 
> No, you aren't any more, we are going to the police station you take me there 
> right now.
> 
> She complies and I found out since this driver lost his licence.
> 
> One more repeat of this exercise.
> 
> First time lucky, get a driver happy to take dog, even wants to give me a 
> free ride and believe it or not Indian as well.
> 
> I'm not going to refuse a free ride and he was as good as his word and didn't 
> go down 50 streets either.
> 
> So the taxis are a hit and miss affair all round.
> 
> How do you blind people do this and every day?
> 
> I am sending this report to the newspapers, have contacts in the Age who will 
> no doubt publish it even if it is edited.
> 
> Hang your heads in shame Victorian Public Transport, you are supposed to care 
> for passenger safety, and god only knows how these blind people are not 
> killed because of your negligence.
> 
> If there is a brave blind person out there, this calls for a test court case, 
> something I am happy to help with costs for paying.
> 
> Is there a brave blind person out there that will do this and take Vision 
> Australia and Blind Citizens Australia down with this action.  I know of one 
> only.
> 
> Shame on all of them.
> 
> Ben Matthews.
> 
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