It was the same from NE Phoenix. 190X with my 4" refractor was about it. Actually looked better at 154X. It did look good, however - moons, ring and planet shadows, Cassini division, ... . Jupiter is so-so. Saturn always takes mag better than Jupiter. I did get a nice view earlier of the Lunar craters in Feb S&T "Lunar Notebook" - Theophilus, Cyrillus and Catharina. - really a lot of detail in slumped terraces, ridges... . It was probably better last night - lower incidence angle for the sun, but still good tonight. Steve Bell EVAC --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.