Jack, No war. The Series 4000 UWA's are very good. I did most of the H400 with the 14 and 8.8. I converted to the 13 and 9 NT6 just to avoid a hernia. Besides, in my TV102 with the 14 UWA, I sometimes got confused as to which end to look through :-). The comparison was only SWA to Pan. Steve Bell Boise -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.