atw: Re: was: Another "rates" query
- From: "bja" <bashley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:47:34 +1100
There will never be any tangible benefits from a national body UNTIL a
national body is set up. As to local flavour, every national body easily
overcomes these issues by allowing some 'state flavour' in websites,
publications and local variations to rules etc because of differing state
legislations.
The tyranny of distance is also just as relevant to someone who refuses to
go to Sth Melb because they live in Lilydale as it is to those refusing to
go to Sydney because they live in Melbourne. Refusal to go is refusal to go.
I happily interact with the ASTCV (on the rare occasion that I need to) via
email and the web, not by going to VTR which I am against.
As to amalgamation, associations can be merged the same as companies can and
I cannot see any current issues of 'sovereignty' that should cause a concern
because the states would effectively run as they are now except under the
national banner.
Oh, and the ASTCV website leaves a lot to be desired.
In regards to your summation:
> Perhaps what would be the most pragmatic objective to aim for is ever
> improving COOPERATION between our clans, rather than simply
> tumbling down
> the amalgamation and centralization path, which usually only
> leads to a
> deep, dark and scary forest of conflicting personal priorities.
>
> A bit of food for thought?
This has been the guiding principle of the ASTCs for years and where has it
got us? Time to try something new I think, and more importantly, it's
probably time to take it to the members so that the "views of some very
vocal and very tiny minorities" (such as you and I) are not the only voices
heard.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Michael (I'll get my
gloves out ready for Thursday:)).
Cheers,
Bruce Ashley
Senior Technical Writer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Edward
> Granat
> Sent: Monday, 1 December 2003 9:50 AM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: was: Another "rates" query
>
>
> Ladies and mental gents of this list,
>
> Don't forget that the ASTCs (Vic.) & (N.S.W.) to name but two
> of our local
> heroes, are independent entities, registered as incorporated
> bodies in
> their own respective states.
>
> The likelihood of amalgamation (provided the majority of
> their members and
> committee members actually want to lose their sovereignty /
> independence
> and see some tangible rather than simply ideological benefits
> from this)
> could cause an administrative nightmare, a legal rats' nest
> and a massive
> costs blowout (or at least an evening-out fees "adjustment")
> for everyone
> concerned.
>
> It also raises the ugly spectre of the centralization issue.
>
> What happens to the independent "club" magazines with their
> distinctive
> identities?
>
> Would the independent, interesting and useful Web sites have to go?
>
> Perhaps we could have our first "parliament" at Melbourne's
> Exhibition
> Buildings, choof up to Sydney, then build an isolated city
> somewhere in
> between, designed as an architectural joke on the ever
> decreasing circles
> of centralized government?
>
> Come on folks. Amalgamation and centralization won't just
> happen by waving
> some kind of magic wand.
>
> Most likely, a separate (national) body would have to be
> formed and what
> were our independent local societies would turn into branch
> offices of
> that, with the need for massive (and not necessarily
> permissible under the
> various state / territory incorporation acts) structural,
> constitutional
> changes to the makeup of those societies.
>
> Remembering that this list almost certainly proclaims the
> views of some
> very vocal and very tiny minorities (and even some who, for their own
> reasons, personal, ideological and financial) sit in the
> wings in judgment
> of societies that they refuse to even join, rather than the
> silent (and
> therefore, by nature unrepresented in this discussion except by their
> respective committee members) majorities, you all might want
> to take one
> step back, take a slow, deep breath and count to ten.
>
> Perhaps what would be the most pragmatic objective to aim for is ever
> improving COOPERATION between our clans, rather than simply
> tumbling down
> the amalgamation and centralization path, which usually only
> leads to a
> deep, dark and scary forest of conflicting personal priorities.
>
> A bit of food for thought?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Granat
> Write Ideas
>
> At 22:39 26/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >A national body is a great idea
>
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