atw: Re: use of the ? symbol
- From: "Erica Ferrigno" <EFerrigno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:50:41 +1000
Thanks Reg, some good info to work with - at least now I have some opti=
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:o)
Regards,
E.
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Erica,
En cherchant les sites web francophone, j'ai touv=3DE9 sur
http://www.irisa.fr/euro/
"Rappel: les unit=3DE9s se mettent toujours apr=3DE8s les chiffres, com=
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recommande le syst=3DE8me m=3DE9trique international. Il faut donc =3DE=
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PAS =3D8012,34."
ISO 1000 (SI units) specifies currency unit conventions for
international technical reports, but I have access only to a 1981 copy!=
It may have changed. In the SI system, usually ALL units are placed
after the numbers.
CORRECTION
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In my last post, I gave the non-symbolic euro example as 80.45Eu. That
is incorrect. The correct useage is 80.45EUR. Sorry, my bad habits.
The custom here is to use the conventions to which the audience
(readership?)subscribe, so for a US audience the EUR symbol goes before=
the numbers, which is technically incorrect. My feeling is that in a
mixed audience, the technically correct convention should be used. This=
is especially so if the origin or subject of the information in the
document comes from a country which follows the technically correct
convention (eg France).
In summary, I would advise putting the Euro symbol after the numbers in=
a document for a mixed audience. If this is uncomfortable (and you know=
your audience better than I do), then put it in words, eg "80 million
euros".
That, of course, opens a whole new can of worms regarding whether you
use the final "s" in the plural form. You do in French, you're not
supposed to in English, but the Bank of England does. You decide, sorry=
I have not found any more authoritative references.
Reg
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:41:01 +1000, "Erica Ferrigno"
<EFerrigno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
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> Hello Erica,
> The correct placement of the Euro symbol, in French, is AFTER the
> numbers, eg
> 80.45=3D3D3D80 or if you don't have the symbol, 80.45Eu.=3D3D3D20
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> symbol prior to 2001 was before the numbers, but I am not sure about
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> On my keyboard, which is set up as US International, Standard French,=
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> and T, not on the numeric pad. I had to download the euro TT font in
> 2000, to make this work, but I think any O/S produced since then
> includes the font.
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:42:51 +1000, "Erica Ferrigno"
> <EFerrigno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> > Hi austechies,
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> > I've spent a few hours this afternoon trawling through Google resul=
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> > find the standard for use of the euro (=3D3D3D3D80) symbol. Best I =
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> > picture of the MS Excel menu which lets you select whether to displ=
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> > symbol before or after the amount.
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> > Can anyone tell me the right way to express the following please.
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> > "...annual sales of approximately 8 million =3D3D3D3D80 and over...=
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> > Many thanks,
> > Erica Ferrigno
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