I'm sorry Sonja, I know you do a lot of work, but the VTR location IS a problem for some people. I wonder why I dared criticise the VTR venue? Has anyone asked me? The anger is pointless. The flood of invective is pointless. I must have had a reason for saying what I said. Am I going to share it now? Of course not. IF there are others who feel the same as me, are they going to dare to share that? Of course not.=20 You will never know. All communication on this issue has been violently closed down. This list has become far to combative. When someone says something that another person does not like, they get attacked. There is a vast difference between attack and debate, but if we don't know that, then perhaps we don't even deserve typist rates. I am trying to generate some decent debate and solicit the truth from people so we can improve our position industrially. We cannot tell our own truth if we are afraid of the reaction we will get. The VTR location is part of MY truth regarding membership of one of our associations - like it or lump it. I am hard to intimidate into silence - but even I sigh with the pointlessness of it. Many others lurk on this list in dismay. Christine Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this e-mail is unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************