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- From: bill parker <renew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Thanks a lot everyone. Very useful comments.
Bill
austechwriter Digest Tue, 27 Nov 2007 Volume: 05 Issue: 302
In This Issue:
Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:59:37 +0900
From: bill parker <renew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:47:01 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
From: "Write Ideas" <writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Dr Bill (P)
AFAIK, any limits on the size of a Word document
file are set more by the version of Word and the system resources of the
computer with which you are working.
On PC, if you avoid Word
97 like the plague that it was and work only with Word 2003 or higher on
Windows XP or higher, you will be pretty right for most things.
On the Mac, early versions of Word were pretty flaky but, I believe that
it has come of age these days on recent Mac environments.
That
said, I find file sizes are more limited by practicalities, such as
available space in the folder in which you must work (many folk are
allocated network folders for their working files that are severely
limited in space for storing graphics).Ý Also, network / LAN speed
can be an issue if you are dragging in big graphic files to open a
document.
I find that Word remains much more stable if you keep
its file sizes to < 5Mb.
Currently, I am creating a 350+
page manual on an Oracle HRMS / HR & Payroll "system" (for
lack of a better word for this glorified database with a shareware style
interface) that has many hundreds of graphics - all linked but not
embedded in the document.Ý The {INCLUDEPICTURE \d} does the trick
here.Ý It is running beautifully under Word 2003 on XP pro, apart
from the occasional grind to a halt when they back up the network drives,
which is not Word's fault at all.
The trick to keeping it
stable is to include but not embed the graphics, as above, back everything
up to ZIP files daily in case of file corruption (of the graphics or the
doc - all hard drives can fail) save manually and regularly.Ý (Turn
off auto save, it can crash word on big docs and turn off background
printing, which is a huge resource hog.)
Also, set the Word
file paths (also in Tools > Options) to where you store the graphics
and templates, to make things load properly.
Also, never run
Word for more than four hours at a time before saving and restarting it,
as this clears out its caches and keeps it stable.ÝThat said, maybe
once a week, open the file with Word's Open and Repair option (2003 and
higher) to fix any little nasties that creep in and clear out any
unintended copy and paste inserted OLE links, using the Insert >
Bookmark tool.
That said, single megabyte files should be an
absolute doddle.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael E. Granat
Write Ideas
Carnegie, Victoria, Australia.
E-mail: writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.writeideas.com.au
20 Years of Write Ideas!
Plain English Technical Communication.
Advertising
Copywriting.
Business Writing.
Web & Direct Marketing
Content Writing.
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
>
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab
that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The
aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete
index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB
in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill
Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The
ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
------------------------------
From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:01:20 +1100
I have been working on a document recently that goes to 9 Mb. I have worked
on Word documents that exceeded 14Mb. Unless the procedures are incredibly
graphic rich, you should be okay.
wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx
WJL Consulting.
PO Box 404,
Liverpool, NSW
Australia, 1871
www.wjl.com.au
Phone/facsimile: +61 2 9876 5345
Mobile/cell phone: +61 0408 612 752
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Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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From: "Christine Kent" <christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:35:35 +1100
No simple answer to this.
Word can handle absolutely massive files, including huge embedded graphics,
as long as you don't ask it to do a few other specific things as well. The
are four issues, speed, locking, corruption and weird stuff happening.
Re speed, Word doesn't like tables, so if you use tables as a layout tool as
I do, your file size needs to stay much smaller than it would otherwise.
When the file slows down too much, I set Tools, Options, Show picture
placeholders, so the file does not have to display the graphics as I am
paging through it - this gives a massive improvement in speed.
Re locking, if you use the clipboard, you must clean it out long before it
reaches it's limit, and as Michael suggested, re-boot every few hours to
clean "stuff" out, or your system will just lock anyway. (I shut down at
lunch time).
Re corruption, I haven't had any corrupted files in recent years (2003 and
2007) so I think this is becoming less of a problem, but that could be
because I have lost the habit of linking. I don't link anything any more.
Links seem to lead to more terminally corrupted files (rather than just slow
files), and weird corruptions, than anything else.
Re weird formatting stuff happening, I find it is not normally related to
file size. More often it is related to templates and style changes. With
2007 I have admitted defeat with linked templates - the last link to go.
Then look at all possible ways of reducing file size. Make sure all
graphics are saved to the smallest possible file size - no bitmaps! Files
created in 2003 are reduced to just over half the size when saved in 2007.
So you could be very brave and upgrade to 2007, but if you do that, allow a
few weeks to get your head around all the new problems. It's a great
product, but requires a new set of workarounds for the inevitable bits that
don't work.
Then get the best hardware you can with a huge RAM. I have worked on 30MB
files with a few huge embedded graphics but no tables, on what is now a
relatively low end machine. On the other hand, I struggle with 6MB files
that have lots of tables and hundreds of small embedded graphics.
ck
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Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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From: "bja" <moo-man@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:43:49 +1100
In the Word for Windows 3.11 days and while using a DX4 66 PC, I used to
cleanup graphics-rich Word documents that frequently exceeded 25MB in size.
The files were very slow and took forever to print and on one occasion I had
to edit one of these files on a DX2 25 laptop while overseas and it took 8
seconds for the cursor to move one character space when editing (truly, we
timed it).
A couple of months later, we upgraded to Windows 95 on a Pentium PC and I
have never experienced any major problems since. Since then, the biggest
single Word document I have produced ran to just over 500 pages, was
graphics rich and only when I got to the 450 page mark or so did it cause
any problems and even then it was only with the printing. That was 7 years
ago and I was using either Word 95 or 98.
So I guess what I am saying is that Word will allow some pretty large
documents without any problems. Just keep your graphic sizes down (use
SnagIt rather than <PrtScn> etc) and be careful about what you link to the
document.
But having said all that, the most robust tool to use for large documents is
FrameMaker.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas
of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document
on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the
documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:19:48 +1100
From: SUNTER Bede <Bede_SUNTER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Hi Bill,
As others have pointed out, the capacity of Word to handle huge
documents is probably well within your needs. However, I find your
question intriguing in that it sounds like you're trying to use a Word
document to do the work of a website.
I wouldn't dream of telling you your business, but it may help your work
to think through the alternative methods of achieving what you're trying
to do.
Bede
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Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few
of the documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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From: "Rafael Manory" <rafi@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:03 +1100
I think the only problem with large Word files is control of the document,
i.e. scrolling and searching a particular section might take a while. In
addition, some systems have limitation on file size for emailing. I always
recommend zipping such files before sending. I also agree that a lot of
graphics may cause problems during scrolling, but have no cure for that,
except keeping the graphics on a separate file until the last stage.
Rafi
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From: "bja" <moo-man@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: atw: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
In the Word for Windows 3.11 days and while using a DX4 66 PC, I used to
cleanup graphics-rich Word documents that frequently exceeded 25MB in
size.
The files were very slow and took forever to print and on one occasion I
had
to edit one of these files on a DX2 25 laptop while overseas and it took 8
> seconds for the cursor to move one character space when editing (truly, we
timed it).
A couple of months later, we upgraded to Windows 95 on a Pentium PC and I
have never experienced any major problems since. Since then, the biggest
single Word document I have produced ran to just over 500 pages, was
graphics rich and only when I got to the 450 page mark or so did it cause
any problems and even then it was only with the printing. That was 7 years
ago and I was using either Word 95 or 98.
So I guess what I am saying is that Word will allow some pretty large
documents without any problems. Just keep your graphic sizes down (use
SnagIt rather than <PrtScn> etc) and be careful about what you link to the
document.
But having said all that, the most robust tool to use for large documents
is
FrameMaker.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 9:00 AM
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Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas
of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document
on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the
documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
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austechwriter Digest Tue, 27 Nov 2007 Volume: 05 Issue: 302
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Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
Re: Microsoft word size limit?
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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:59:37 +0900
From: bill parker <renew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Microsoft word size limit?
Folks,
Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill
--
Dr Bill Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE
The ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:47:01 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
From: "Write Ideas" <writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Dr Bill (P)
AFAIK, any limits on the size of a Word document
file are set more by the version of Word and the system resources of the
computer with which you are working.
On PC, if you avoid Word
97 like the plague that it was and work only with Word 2003 or higher on
Windows XP or higher, you will be pretty right for most things.
On the Mac, early versions of Word were pretty flaky but, I believe that
it has come of age these days on recent Mac environments.
That
said, I find file sizes are more limited by practicalities, such as
available space in the folder in which you must work (many folk are
allocated network folders for their working files that are severely
limited in space for storing graphics).Ý Also, network / LAN speed
can be an issue if you are dragging in big graphic files to open a
document.
I find that Word remains much more stable if you keep
its file sizes to < 5Mb.
Currently, I am creating a 350+
page manual on an Oracle HRMS / HR & Payroll "system" (for
lack of a better word for this glorified database with a shareware style
interface) that has many hundreds of graphics - all linked but not
embedded in the document.Ý The {INCLUDEPICTURE \d} does the trick
here.Ý It is running beautifully under Word 2003 on XP pro, apart
from the occasional grind to a halt when they back up the network drives,
which is not Word's fault at all.
The trick to keeping it
stable is to include but not embed the graphics, as above, back everything
up to ZIP files daily in case of file corruption (of the graphics or the
doc - all hard drives can fail) save manually and regularly.Ý (Turn
off auto save, it can crash word on big docs and turn off background
printing, which is a huge resource hog.)
Also, set the Word
file paths (also in Tools > Options) to where you store the graphics
and templates, to make things load properly.
Also, never run
Word for more than four hours at a time before saving and restarting it,
as this clears out its caches and keeps it stable.ÝThat said, maybe
once a week, open the file with Word's Open and Repair option (2003 and
higher) to fix any little nasties that creep in and clear out any
unintended copy and paste inserted OLE links, using the Insert >
Bookmark tool.
That said, single megabyte files should be an
absolute doddle.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael E. Granat
Write Ideas
Carnegie, Victoria, Australia.
E-mail: writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.writeideas.com.au
20 Years of Write Ideas!
Plain English Technical Communication.
Advertising
Copywriting.
Business Writing.
Web & Direct Marketing
Content Writing.
Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document?
>
I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab
that cover 9
areas of work each with several sub sections. The
aim is to have one
document on-line and that has a complete
index to all sections. A
few of the documents are already 1MB
in size.
Any advice welcome.
Bill -- Dr Bill
Parker
Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE The
ANZSES Journal
Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia
Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676
http://www.sustainablehouseday.com
http://www.anzses.org
------------------------------ From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:01:20 +1100 I have been working on a document recently that goes to 9 Mb. I have worked on Word documents that exceeded 14Mb. Unless the procedures are incredibly graphic rich, you should be okay. wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxx WJL Consulting. PO Box 404, Liverpool, NSW Australia, 1871 www.wjl.com.au Phone/facsimile: +61 2 9876 5345 Mobile/cell phone: +61 0408 612 752 -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bill parker Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 09:00 To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit? Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document? I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the documents are already 1MB in size. Any advice welcome. Bill -- Dr Bill Parker Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE The ANZSES Journal Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676 http://www.sustainablehouseday.com http://www.anzses.org ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Christine Kent" <christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:35:35 +1100 No simple answer to this. Word can handle absolutely massive files, including huge embedded graphics, as long as you don't ask it to do a few other specific things as well. The are four issues, speed, locking, corruption and weird stuff happening. Re speed, Word doesn't like tables, so if you use tables as a layout tool as I do, your file size needs to stay much smaller than it would otherwise. When the file slows down too much, I set Tools, Options, Show picture placeholders, so the file does not have to display the graphics as I ampaging through it - this gives a massive improvement in speed.
Re locking, if you use the clipboard, you must clean it out long before it reaches it's limit, and as Michael suggested, re-boot every few hours to clean "stuff" out, or your system will just lock anyway. (I shut down at lunch time). Re corruption, I haven't had any corrupted files in recent years (2003 and 2007) so I think this is becoming less of a problem, but that could be because I have lost the habit of linking. I don't link anything any more. Links seem to lead to more terminally corrupted files (rather than just slowfiles), and weird corruptions, than anything else.
Re weird formatting stuff happening, I find it is not normally related to file size. More often it is related to templates and style changes. With2007 I have admitted defeat with linked templates - the last link to go.
Then look at all possible ways of reducing file size. Make sure all graphics are saved to the smallest possible file size - no bitmaps! Files created in 2003 are reduced to just over half the size when saved in 2007. So you could be very brave and upgrade to 2007, but if you do that, allow a few weeks to get your head around all the new problems. It's a great product, but requires a new set of workarounds for the inevitable bits that don't work. Then get the best hardware you can with a huge RAM. I have worked on 30MB files with a few huge embedded graphics but no tables, on what is now a relatively low end machine. On the other hand, I struggle with 6MB files that have lots of tables and hundreds of small embedded graphics. ck
-----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bill parker Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 9:00 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit? Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document? I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the documents are already 1MB in size. Any advice welcome. Bill -- Dr Bill Parker Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE The ANZSES Journal Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676 http://www.sustainablehouseday.com http://www.anzses.org **************************************************
No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1155 - Release Date: 27/11/2007 8:30 PM ------------------------------ From: "bja" <moo-man@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:43:49 +1100 In the Word for Windows 3.11 days and while using a DX4 66 PC, I used to cleanup graphics-rich Word documents that frequently exceeded 25MB in size. The files were very slow and took forever to print and on one occasion I had to edit one of these files on a DX2 25 laptop while overseas and it took 8 seconds for the cursor to move one character space when editing (truly, we timed it). A couple of months later, we upgraded to Windows 95 on a Pentium PC and I have never experienced any major problems since. Since then, the biggest single Word document I have produced ran to just over 500 pages, was graphics rich and only when I got to the 450 page mark or so did it cause any problems and even then it was only with the printing. That was 7 years ago and I was using either Word 95 or 98. So I guess what I am saying is that Word will allow some pretty large documents without any problems. Just keep your graphic sizes down (use SnagIt rather than <PrtScn> etc) and be careful about what you link to the document. But having said all that, the most robust tool to use for large documents is FrameMaker. Cheers, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bill parker Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 9:00 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit? Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document? I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the documents are already 1MB in size. Any advice welcome. Bill -- Dr Bill Parker Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE The ANZSES Journal Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676 http://www.sustainablehouseday.com http://www.anzses.org ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:19:48 +1100 From: SUNTER Bede <Bede_SUNTER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit? Hi Bill, As others have pointed out, the capacity of Word to handle huge documents is probably well within your needs. However, I find your question intriguing in that it sounds like you're trying to use a Word document to do the work of a website. I wouldn't dream of telling you your business, but it may help your work to think through the alternative methods of achieving what you're trying to do. Bede -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bill parker Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 9:00 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit? Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document? I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the documents are already 1MB in size. Any advice welcome. 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------------------------------ From: "Rafael Manory" <rafi@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Microsoft word size limit? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:03 +1100 I think the only problem with large Word files is control of the document, i.e. scrolling and searching a particular section might take a while. In addition, some systems have limitation on file size for emailing. I always recommend zipping such files before sending. I also agree that a lot of graphics may cause problems during scrolling, but have no cure for that, except keeping the graphics on a separate file until the last stage. Rafi ----- Original Message ----- From: "bja" <moo-man@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: atw: Re: Microsoft word size limit?
In the Word for Windows 3.11 days and while using a DX4 66 PC, I used to cleanup graphics-rich Word documents that frequently exceeded 25MB in size. The files were very slow and took forever to print and on one occasion I had to edit one of these files on a DX2 25 laptop while overseas and it took 8
> seconds for the cursor to move one character space when editing (truly, we
timed it). A couple of months later, we upgraded to Windows 95 on a Pentium PC and I have never experienced any major problems since. Since then, the biggest single Word document I have produced ran to just over 500 pages, was graphics rich and only when I got to the 450 page mark or so did it cause any problems and even then it was only with the printing. That was 7 years ago and I was using either Word 95 or 98. So I guess what I am saying is that Word will allow some pretty large documents without any problems. Just keep your graphic sizes down (use SnagIt rather than <PrtScn> etc) and be careful about what you link to the document. But having said all that, the most robust tool to use for large documents is FrameMaker. Cheers, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bill parker Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 9:00 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Microsoft word size limit? Folks, Is there a practical limit to the size of a Word document? I am being asked to compile a series of SOPs for a lab that cover 9 areas of work each with several sub sections. The aim is to have one document on-line and that has a complete index to all sections. A few of the documents are already 1MB in size. Any advice welcome. Bill -- Dr Bill Parker Editor "Solar Progress" ON-LINE The ANZSES Journal Box 322 Mount Lawley 6929 Australia Phone 08 9272 9955 0403 583 676 http://www.sustainablehouseday.com http://www.anzses.org ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************
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