atw: Re: austechwriter Digest V3 #49
- From: Graeme Foster <gfs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:29:39 +1100
Hmmm. Yessss. Wellllllll. I can see why I joined this group. It
encourages me to lift my game so I can actually understand some of the
contributions. Upon reflection of the receival of some of the
rejoinders I can now see the elegance of 'Implementation of the
receival function." Goodbye cruel receive, I'm off to join the circus!
Nominalisation rocks!
Graeme Foster
On 23/02/2005, at 6:03 PM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
> austechwriter Digest Tue, 22 Feb 2005 Volume: 03 Issue: 049
>
> In This Issue:
> Re: austechwriter Digest V3 #48
> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night(23rd
> Re: Test: Please delete... Lorem ipsum dolor... nil carborun
> Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night(23rd
> "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
> Re: "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
> SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie dictio
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Updation
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly! was "Gerunds rule OK" and prior
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
> OT: sunken lounges and floating floors
> Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly! was \"Gerunds rule OK\" and
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
> Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
> Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
> Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie di
> Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Graeme Foster <gfs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: austechwriter Digest V3 #48
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:48 +1100
>
> Maybe receival doesn't crack a mention because of the word 'receipt'.
> It is surely the nominalisation of receive.
>
> Graeme Foster
>
> On 22/02/2005, at 6:03 PM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
>
>> austechwriter Digest Mon, 21 Feb 2005 Volume: 03 Issue: 048
>>
>> In This Issue:
>> Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: Multi-purpose documents
>> OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>> Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>> Receival - could someone tell the Mac Online
>> Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>> Westies tonight Commercial Hotel Parramatta
>> LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd)
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
>> Test: Please delete... Lorem ipsum dolor... lady, three whit
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>> OT: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23r
>> Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:21:32 +1100 (EST)
>> From: Terry D <morgan4four@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>> Can anyone out there with a Macquarie dictionary to
>> hand tell me if it includes 'receival'. It's not in
>> the Webster and Oxford I have access to.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Terry
>>
>> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:39:52 +0800
>> From: "Rhonda Bracey" <Rhonda.Bracey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> No - "receipt" and "receivable" but no "receival" (Macquarie 3rd
>> edition, p1777)
>>
>> Rhonda
>>
>>
>> Rhonda Bracey
>> rhonda.bracey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>> http://www.cybertext.com.au
>> AuthorIT Certified Consultant
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry D
>> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 3:31 PM
>> To: ATW
>> Subject: atw: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>> Can anyone out there with a Macquarie dictionary to hand tell me if it
>> includes 'receival'. It's not in the Webster and Oxford I have access
>> to.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Terry
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:50:33 +1100
>>
>> I can tomorrow.
>> I think you can access an on-line version?
>> Ring me on 0408 612 752 in the morning and I can tell you...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry D
>> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 6:22 PM
>> To: ATW
>> Subject: atw: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>>
>> Can anyone out there with a Macquarie dictionary to
>> hand tell me if it includes 'receival'. It's not in
>> the Webster and Oxford I have access to.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Terry
>>
>> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:59:35 +1100
>> From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>> Not in the Collins Aussie English Big Fat Hardcover one, Terry (D).
>>
>> Are you sure that someone hasn't mistyped receivable?
>> (Incorrectly saved to the custom dictionary file?)
>>
>> Have you tried <http://www.onelook.com/>.
>>
>> If you can't find it there, you can't find it anywhere.
>> It's up to you, New Word, New Word!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Micky G.
>>
>> At 18:21 21/2/2005, you wrote:
>>> Can anyone out there with a Macquarie dictionary to
>>> hand tell me if it includes 'receival'. It's not in
>>> the Webster and Oxford I have access to.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Terry
>>>
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>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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>> Without Prejudice.
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:27:25 +1100 (EST)
>> From: Terry D <morgan4four@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>> <Rhonda wrote:>
>> No - "receipt" and "receivable" but no "receival"
>> (Macquarie 3rd edition, p1777)
>> ===
>> Thanks to Rhonda, Michael G and Warren L.
>>
>> It's in a doc I'm updating. They include a 'Receival
>> Inspection' of the goods.
>>
>> I did a google and found some 30k hits. Almost all of
>> the early hits are Australian and tend to deal with
>> grain and/or shipping. Maybe we Aussies have invented
>> a new word. And as I recall, the grain receival bins
>> were one of the biggest employers of vacation students
>> not so long ago so it's probably fairly well accepted
>> here.
>>
>> I'll change the term so our OS clients can't criticise
>> our spelling.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Terry
>>
>> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Michael Lewis" <mlewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:02:02 +1100
>>
>> Terry D:
>>
>>> Thanks to Rhonda, Michael G and Warren L.
>>>
>>> It's in a doc I'm updating. They include a 'Receival
>>> Inspection' of the goods.
>>>
>>> I did a google and found some 30k hits. Almost all of
>>> the early hits are Australian and tend to deal with
>>> grain and/or shipping. Maybe we Aussies have invented
>>> a new word. And as I recall, the grain receival bins
>>> were one of the biggest employers of vacation students
>>> not so long ago so it's probably fairly well accepted
>>> here.
>>>
>>> I'll change the term so our OS clients can't criticise
>>> our spelling.
>>
>> Don't be too hasty. The word is well attested; the OED dates it to
>> 1637.
>> It's perfectly well formed, by analogy with refusal, rebuttal, etc.
>> I'm
>> sufficiently familiar with it that I was surprised by the question. So
>> it's
>> certainly not an Australian coinage. I'm surprised that it doesn't
>> appear in
>> the Macquarie Dictionary (though I don't have my own copy handy, and
>> I'm
>> wondering whether other respondents have checked the Big Mac or merely
>> one
>> of the smaller offspring).
>>
>>
>> Michael Lewis
>> -------------------
>> Brandle Pty Limited
>> Sydney, Australia
>> -------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Howard Silcock" <howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Multi-purpose documents
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:24:29 +1100
>>
>> Thank you to those who responded to my inquiry, both on- and off-line.
>> I've
>> been off-line all day, so couldn't follow the discussion till now.
>>
>> The responses are making me doubt seriously whether my idea of using
>> Word
>> 2003 is worth pursuing. But getting new software - whether FrameMaker
>> or
>> AuthorIT - is definitely out of the question, particularly in the
>> timeframe
>> available. I'll definitely look at Steve's Editioning Template (the
>> link on
>> Techwr-L doesn't work, but I think I found another one that does) -
>> though
>> the name makes me squirm ("editioning"? - I though "actioning" was bad
>> enough! - but now I'm sure someone'll tell me a Google search turns up
>> 423,564 instances).
>>
>> This is one of those cases where I'd love the chance to try out a new
>> toy,
>> but may be forced to play safe and adopt a more boring approach.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:28:36 -0600
>> From: MHT <runfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>>
>> Does anybody on the list use bigpond.net.au as their ISP?
>> Is email on the bigpond.net.au currently inaccessible or being routed
>> down
>> a cyber black hole??
>> Regards,
>> MNMary
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Jonn Mero" <jmero@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:02:54 -0800
>>
>> Yes and no, Mary.
>> No apparent problems - AT THE MOMENT.
>> Jonn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:29 AM
>> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: atw: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>>
>> Does anybody on the list use bigpond.net.au as their ISP?
>> Is email on the bigpond.net.au currently inaccessible or being routed
>> down
>> a cyber black hole??
>> Regards,
>> MNMary
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Subject: Receival - could someone tell the Mac Online
>> From: bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:54:22 +1100
>>
>> Surely we have justified this word by now.
>> Could some one tell the Macquarie Online about receival.
>>
>> I cannot from this workplace.
>> ___________
>> Bob Trussler
>>
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>> From: "Paul Birkwood" <paul.birkwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:25:07 +1030
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>> I use bigpond for personal mail. I wasn't able to download e-mail at
>> one
>> point last week. So, there was definitely something happening with the
>> e-mail. But, I haven't had problems recently.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Steve Hudson" <adslyy5g@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Westies tonight Commercial Hotel Parramatta
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:21:07 +1100
>>
>> Subject: Style Guides
>> Bring: Pen, paper, your in-house style guide, your favourite published
>> style
>> guide(s)
>>
>> Steve Hudson
>>
>> Word Heretic, Sydney, Australia
>> Tricky stuff with Word or words for you.
>> www.wordheretic.com
>> ABN: 86 453 419 554
>> "Qualified Good Tech Writer Dude"
>> Free Association of Words
>> Without prejudice
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Nancy Rose" <nancyrose73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd)
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:57:00 +1100
>>
>> LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd)
>>
>> Topic? Meetings - keep them short, make them effective.
>>
>> Where? Sydney Mechanics School of Arts, Level 1, 280 Pitt Street
>> (between
>> Park and Bathurst).
>> Time? 6 to 8 pm.
>>
>> How to book? Email info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, voicemail 82507056, fax
>> 92520441
>>
>> To a lot of us, workplace meetings are a bane. They can be an
>> effective way
>> of communicating within the organisation - although often they are
>> not. They
>> can make good use of everyone's time and talent - or be wasters of
>> both.
>>
>> As a technical writer, you may find that you are expected at least to
>> know
>> how to take minutes at a meeting, and it'll be a useful part of your
>> skills
>> armoury if you can.
>>
>> We will be showing the John Cleese film 'Meetings, Bloody Meetings',
>> after
>> which Brian Clarke will outline the function and structure of meetings
>> from
>> a legal point of view and along the way giving hints on how to avoid
>> waste.
>>
>> Brian taught Organisational Behaviour and Corporate Strategy at the
>> University of Warwick, The City University, London Business School,
>> Wolsey
>> Hall (Oxford) and the UTS. He has held the roles of president,
>> chairman,
>> secretary and treasurer in a wide range of private organisations.
>>
>> Price? $15 members who book, $20 for others. (To cover rentals and
>> refreshments.)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:23:51 +1100
>> From: "Allan Charlton" <Allan.Charlton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>>
>> The ASTC announcement said
>>
>>> As a technical writer, you may find that you are expected
>>> at least to know how to take minutes at a meeting, and
>>> it'll be a useful part of your skills armoury if you can.
>>
>> No. Absolutely not. I make my own notes, and others are welcome to
>> borrow them. But I'm not a secretary. That's a completely different
>> skill set.
>>
>> I wouldn't feel happy about a secretary taking on a technical
>> documentation task on the basis of good typing skills, and I doubt
>> that
>> secretaries feel happy about technical writers taking secretarial
>> work.
>>
>> Some of my colleagues occasionally borrow my meeting notes, and I
>> don't
>> mind at all. But they are *my* notes, concerned with my interest in
>> the
>> meeting's subject matter. In the meetings I go to, the chairman
>> usually
>> makes sufficient notes to build minutes from. But then, I'm a simple
>> technical soul, and I don't go to high-falutin' events like board
>> meetings 'n' stuff.
>>
>> I'm going to Westies tonight though, and Steve and I will discuss
>> style
>> guides. My bit will be brief, and I'm sure Steve will be brief too,
>> because we all want a good discussion. None of us wants to hear a
>> monologue.
>>
>> Come along to Westies!
>> Commercial Hotel, opposite the Parramatta railway station.
>> If you can't find the place, call 0413 022 056 and I'll try to help.
>> If you live in Melbourne, you've got just enough time to get on a
>> plane
>> and get up here.
>>
>> Allan
>>
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>>
>> From: Andrea Tappe <Andrea.Tappe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:54:17 +1100
>>
>>
>> Errr..... gas leak? Tullamarine? Don't say that you guys haven't heard
>> about
>> the Most Exciting Event in Melbourne History?
>>
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>>
>> From: "Nancy Rose" <nancyrose73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>> (23rd)
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:15:50 +1100
>>
>>
>> Well, I am doing my darndest to attend both meetings. They are both
>> supported (e.g. advertised) by the ASTC NSW and are both worthy topics
>> of
>> discussion.
>>
>> Perhaps the wording in the meeting reminder indicated that we may have
>> to
>> take minutes because we are Technical Authors (rather than just
>> because) and
>> I guess that perhaps that may cause an annoyance? So, to clarify by
>> using my
>> own situation...
>>
>> I am not a secretary nor would I suggest that I have all the
>> secretarial
>> skills; however, as part of my role as a Tech. Writer I do
>> occasionally run
>> projects and, therefore, meetings. Just as I am required to run
>> meetings, I
>> am also (occassionally) required to take minutes (usually voluntarily
>> - in
>> my organisation we don't have a lot of secretaries and therefore
>> people
>> throughout the hierarchy takes turns with the minutes and other
>> meeting
>> roles - 'come to my meeting and you're likely to be given a job to
>> do'). I
>> don't attend many board meetings either but I do attend meetings.
>>
>> I believe that understanding how meetings should run, which includes
>> knowing
>> how to take minutes, is a valuable tool to have no matter what type of
>> employment. In my role, as a Tech. Writer, I do use these skills in
>> meetings
>> and in workshops that I run.
>>
>> I also use meeting skills in volunteer committees outside of the
>> workplace.
>> We don't have the benefit of a secretary but we get through. What else
>> would
>> happen in a volunteer organisation or committee, particularly one
>> where you
>> are required to take proper notes and follow correct meeting
>> procedures?
>>
>> I am amost interested in both topics - that is because they BOTH
>> relate to
>> what I do both at work and in my outside-of-work life.
>>
>> I personally find these ASTC get togethers give me the opportunity to
>> learn
>> some new skills and to catch up with others who work in the same
>> general
>> field and exchange ideas. It's never about just sitting and listening
>> for an
>> hour. So, I really look forward to meeting those of you who choose to
>> attend
>> either (or both) of these meetings :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>> From Allan...
>> ************
>> The ASTC announcement said
>>
>>> As a technical writer, you may find that you are expected
>>> at least to know how to take minutes at a meeting, and
>>> it'll be a useful part of your skills armoury if you can.
>>
>> No. Absolutely not. I make my own notes, and others are welcome to
>> borrow them. But I'm not a secretary. That's a completely different
>> skill set.
>>
>> I wouldn't feel happy about a secretary taking on a technical
>> documentation task on the basis of good typing skills, and I doubt
>> that
>> secretaries feel happy about technical writers taking secretarial
>> work.
>>
>> Some of my colleagues occasionally borrow my meeting notes, and I
>> don't
>> mind at all. But they are *my* notes, concerned with my interest in
>> the
>> meeting's subject matter. In the meetings I go to, the chairman
>> usually
>> makes sufficient notes to build minutes from. But then, I'm a simple
>> technical soul, and I don't go to high-falutin' events like board
>> meetings 'n' stuff.
>>
>> I'm going to Westies tonight though, and Steve and I will discuss
>> style
>> guides. My bit will be brief, and I'm sure Steve will be brief too,
>> because we all want a good discussion. None of us wants to hear a
>> monologue.
>>
>> Come along to Westies!
>> Commercial Hotel, opposite the Parramatta railway station.
>> If you can't find the place, call 0413 022 056 and I'll try to help.
>> If you live in Melbourne, you've got just enough time to get on a
>> plane
>> and get up here.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: Test: Please delete... Lorem ipsum dolor... lady, three white
>> leo
>> From: Stuart Burnfield <sburnf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:46:42 +0800
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I reinstalled Notes client--fingers crossed. If this worked, you can
>> read
>> this.
>> If it didn't work, well... 0KPiBjaGFuZ2U then Brian!
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:21:38 +1100
>> From: "Allan Charlton" <Allan.Charlton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>>
>> Nancy said:
>>> I believe that understanding how meetings should run,
>>> which includes knowing how to take minutes, is a
>>> valuable tool to have
>>
>>
>> I apologise to any who misunderstood me.
>> How to run meetings and maximise their benefit is rare, useful and
>> valuable knowledge. The John Cleese video will be fun and
>> informative,
>> and I'm sure Brian will be an interesting speaker and do justice to
>> the
>> topic.
>>
>> I was just railing against the unstated suggestion that some poor
>> technical writer might be railroaded into secretarial duties because a
>> perceived ability to make notes and type from them equates secretaries
>> and technical writers. Perish the thought.
>>
>> Secretaries type.
>> Writers stare out windows in contemplation. :-)
>>
>> Allan
>>
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>> From: Andrea Tappe <Andrea.Tappe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: OT: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>> (23rd)
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:24:52 +1100
>>
>>
>> <snip>Writers stare out windows in contemplation. :-)</snip>
>>
>> Especially if they are waiting for a Virgin Blue flight from
>> Tullamarine ;-)
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>> From: "Nancy Rose" <nancyrose73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
>> (23rd)
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:28:10 +1100
>>
>> Totally agree with you Allan. :-)
>> I would hope that our employers would understand the difference skill
>> sets.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>> From Allan...
>> *************
>>
>> I was just railing against the unstated suggestion that some poor
>> technical writer might be railroaded into secretarial duties because a
>> perceived ability to make notes and type from them equates secretaries
>> and technical writers. Perish the thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:34:11 +1100
>> From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>>
>> Well there you go then, Michael (L)
>>
>> <http://www.onelook.com/> came back with:
>> "Sorry, no dictionaries indexed in the selected category contain the
>> word receival."
>>
>> That's where the human factor (yourself) should take a bow.
>>
>> Obviously wasn't in any medieval armour dictionaries.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Michael Granat
>> Write Ideas
>>
>> At 23:02 21/2/2005, you wrote:
>>> Don't be too hasty. The word is well attested; the OED dates it to
>>> 1637.
>>> It's perfectly well formed, by analogy with refusal, rebuttal, etc.
>>> I'm
>>> sufficiently familiar with it that I was surprised by the question.
>>> So it's
>>> certainly not an Australian coinage. I'm surprised that it doesn't
>>> appear in
>>> the Macquarie Dictionary (though I don't have my own copy handy, and
>>> I'm
>>> wondering whether other respondents have checked the Big Mac or
>>> merely one
>>> of the smaller offspring).
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Lewis
>>
>> Michael E. Granat
>> (QGTWD) (FOTROTWYB!)
>> T/as Write Ideas
>> E-mail: mailto:writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Web: <http://home.pacific.net.au/~megranat/>
>> Without Prejudice.
>> E&OE.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:31:45 +1100
>> From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow
>>
>> (NOW RATHER OT)
>>
>> That would be @ The Melbourne International Gasport, right Andrea (T).
>>
>> The Vermin Blue terminal (what a strangely appropriate word) which was
>> the old Ansett one, is having a horrid time of it and poor Vermin is
>> being
>> blamed for something that was pretty much foisted on them.
>>
>> Still, at least they could have offered the 15,000 people waiting out
>> on the
>> grass for a flight a cuppa and a sandwich.
>>
>> (Or would they rather try and flog Sir Richard Chutney's book to a
>> truly
>> captive audience, like they do on their buses in the sky.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Micky G.
>>
>> At 14:54 22/2/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> Errr..... gas leak? Tullamarine? Don't say that you guys haven't
>>> heard about
>>> the Most Exciting Event in Melbourne History?
>>>
>>> <snip>If you live in Melbourne, you've got just enough time to get on
>>> a
>>> plane and get up here.</snip>
>>>
>>
>> Michael E. Granat
>> (QGTWD) (FOTROTWYB!)
>> T/as Write Ideas
>> E-mail: mailto:writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Web: <http://home.pacific.net.au/~megranat/>
>> Without Prejudice.
>> E&OE.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night(23rd)
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:54:18 +1100
>
> Hi Allan,
> There is no law that says the minute taker has to be a secretary, or
> that
> the secretary has to take the minutes.
> Come along to the meeting and have some other Aunt Sallies knocked
> down.
> Brian.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Brian Clarke" <brianclarke01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Test: Please delete... Lorem ipsum dolor... nil
> carborundum b
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:08:47 +1100
>
> So, you had Lotus Notes set at High Security, did you - red or purple
> code?
> Brian.
> Stuart tested:
> I reinstalled Notes client--fingers crossed. If this worked, you can
> read
> this.
> If it didn't work, well... 0KPiBjaGFuZ2U then Brian!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:59:50 +1100
>
> Bigpond has been having intermittent problems for at least the last
> fortnight.
> It is about time, as they have just lost a huge court case about
> ripping
> companies off.
> They have to take it out on someone...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Birkwood
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:55 AM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: OT sorta - bigpond.net.au email off grid?
>
>
> Hi Mary,
> I use bigpond for personal mail. I wasn't able to download e-mail at
> one
> point last week. So, there was definitely something happening with the
> e-mail. But, I haven't had problems recently.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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> From: "Warren Lewington" <wjlewington@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd)
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:06:47 +1100
>
> Missed a great Westies last night Nancy.
> SO did everyone else.
> Now, you can all come along next month however.
> Third Tuesday...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nancy Rose
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2005 3:16 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night
> (23rd)
>
>
>
> Well, I am doing my darndest to attend both meetings. They are both
> supported (e.g. advertised) by the ASTC NSW and are both worthy topics
> of
> discussion.
>
> Perhaps the wording in the meeting reminder indicated that we may have
> to
> take minutes because we are Technical Authors (rather than just
> because) and
>
> I guess that perhaps that may cause an annoyance? So, to clarify by
> using my
>
> own situation...
>
> I am not a secretary nor would I suggest that I have all the
> secretarial
> skills; however, as part of my role as a Tech. Writer I do
> occasionally run
> projects and, therefore, meetings. Just as I am required to run
> meetings, I
> am also (occassionally) required to take minutes (usually voluntarily
> - in
> my organisation we don't have a lot of secretaries and therefore people
> throughout the hierarchy takes turns with the minutes and other meeting
> roles - 'come to my meeting and you're likely to be given a job to
> do'). I
> don't attend many board meetings either but I do attend meetings.
>
> I believe that understanding how meetings should run, which includes
> knowing
>
> how to take minutes, is a valuable tool to have no matter what type of
> employment. In my role, as a Tech. Writer, I do use these skills in
> meetings
>
> and in workshops that I run.
>
> I also use meeting skills in volunteer committees outside of the
> workplace.
> We don't have the benefit of a secretary but we get through. What else
> would
>
> happen in a volunteer organisation or committee, particularly one
> where you
> are required to take proper notes and follow correct meeting
> procedures?
>
> I am amost interested in both topics - that is because they BOTH
> relate to
> what I do both at work and in my outside-of-work life.
>
> I personally find these ASTC get togethers give me the opportunity to
> learn
> some new skills and to catch up with others who work in the same
> general
> field and exchange ideas. It's never about just sitting and listening
> for an
>
> hour. So, I really look forward to meeting those of you who choose to
> attend
>
> either (or both) of these meetings :-)
>
> Cheers
> Nancy
>
>
> From Allan...
> ************
> The ASTC announcement said
>
>> As a technical writer, you may find that you are expected
>> at least to know how to take minutes at a meeting, and
>> it'll be a useful part of your skills armoury if you can.
>
> No. Absolutely not. I make my own notes, and others are welcome to
> borrow
> them. But I'm not a secretary. That's a completely different skill
> set.
>
> I wouldn't feel happy about a secretary taking on a technical
> documentation
> task on the basis of good typing skills, and I doubt that secretaries
> feel
> happy about technical writers taking secretarial work.
>
> Some of my colleagues occasionally borrow my meeting notes, and I
> don't mind
> at all. But they are *my* notes, concerned with my interest in the
> meeting's subject matter. In the meetings I go to, the chairman
> usually
> makes sufficient notes to build minutes from. But then, I'm a simple
> technical soul, and I don't go to high-falutin' events like board
> meetings
> 'n' stuff.
>
> I'm going to Westies tonight though, and Steve and I will discuss style
> guides. My bit will be brief, and I'm sure Steve will be brief too,
> because
> we all want a good discussion. None of us wants to hear a monologue.
>
> Come along to Westies!
> Commercial Hotel, opposite the Parramatta railway station.
> If you can't find the place, call 0413 022 056 and I'll try to help.
> If you
> live in Melbourne, you've got just enough time to get on a plane and
> get up
> here.
>
> Allan
>
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> From: "Nancy Rose" <nancyrose73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night (23rd)
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:42:07 +1100
>
> Yeah Warren, I know :-(
>
> But I promise I really did try to get there. Believe me, Style Guides
> are
> extremely close to my heart at the moment, particularly when it comes
> to the
> discussion of what should or should not be included in one. (and how to
> convince those in power that certain items are required)
>
> Nevertheless, I was unable to get there in the end. I'll be at the
> next one
> and if I'm lucky someone may even find it in their heart to give me a
> run
> down on what you all came up with.
>
> Cheers
> Nancy
>
>
> From Warren...
> ************
>
> Missed a great Westies last night Nancy.
> SO did everyone else.
> Now, you can all come along next month however.
> Third Tuesday...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: LAST CALLS for the ASTC(NSW) meeting tomorrow night(23rd)
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:30:45 +1100 (EST)
> From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
>
> An Aunt Sally, eh Brian (C).
>
> My goodness.
>
> Now there's an obscure old British expression to keep out
> of our manuals, unless writing for a 19th Century
> fairground audience!
>
> I thought that I got the sense of what you were saying, as
> in old wives tales and widely held misconceptions but,
> wasn't entirely sure. So I looked it up in the Collins
> BFHC Dictionary (Australian Edition) and it and "Aunt
> Sally" has some history that gives it far deeper resonances
> with old world English popular culture.
>
> So I thought that I might include that definition, which
> follows, for the edification and enlightenment of the rest
> of us:
>
> Aunt Sally . n. pl. -lies. Brit. 1. a figure of an old
> woman's head, typically with a clay pipe, used in
> fairgrounds and fetes as a target for balls or other
> objects. 2. any person who is a target for inslults and
> criticism. 3. Something set up as a target for disagreement
> or attack.
>
> Methinks that you meant that definition 3, although (on atw
> at least) many of us, including you and yours truly have
> floated to and from definition 2 status. ;-)
>
> Now where did I put my clay pipe?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Granat
> Write Ideas
>
> Quoting Brian Clarke <brianclarke01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi Allan,
> There is no law that says the minute taker has to be a secretary, or
> that
> the secretary has to take the minutes.
> Come along to the meeting and have some other Aunt Sallies knocked
> down.
> Brian.
> <snip>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Michael Lewis" <mlewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:47:00 +1000
> Subject: "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
>
> Graeme Foster:
>
>> Maybe receival doesn't crack a mention because of the word 'receipt'.
>> It is surely the nominalisation of receive.
>
> The existence of alternatives hasn't hampered the language previously;
> I don't
> see why it should have started as recently as 1637. Anyway, the task of
> dictionaries is not to discard unnecessary words, but to record those
> in use.
> As I wrote previously, I'm familiar with the word -- though I doubt
> that I've
> ever actually used it myself.
>
>
> Michael Lewis
> -------------------
> Brandle Pty Limited
> Sydney, Australia
> -------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:10:04 +1100
> From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
>
> Sure, Michael (L).
>
> Now guys, thanks to atw, you can regularly receival the latest on that
> wonderfully useful word on this list.
>
> Sheesh!
>
> If Google (which probably picks up every mistyped E-mail and verbally
> atrocious piece of jargon, slang and US/Germanic "English" floating
> around) was the arbiter of our language use, we'd all be speaking
> complete
> "gobbledeGooglegook"!
>
> It is good to know that "receival" is there but, for such obscure and
> ancient
> stuff, which is most likely to be an industry-specific term that came
> from
> the shipping industry (and that I recall is still used by freight and
> parcel
> courier companies) it is one for the Glossary and for a specific
> trade/shipping audience that uses the term (which I think was the
> point of
> Terry D's [?] original post) not for use by the general populace in
> their
> daily lives and transactions.
>
> (Whoops. Huge run-on sentence there. Oh well. This is a casual
> E-mail.)
>
> So "receival" is a piece of historically embedded, industry-specific
> jargon
> that is used by a limited (goods shipping specific) audience.
>
> Can we move on now, please?
>
> HTH.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Granat
> Write Ideas
>
> At 10:47 23/2/2005, you wrote:
>> Graeme Foster:
>>
>>> Maybe receival doesn't crack a mention because of the word 'receipt'.
>>> It is surely the nominalisation of receive.
>>
>> The existence of alternatives hasn't hampered the language
>> previously; I don't
>> see why it should have started as recently as 1637. Anyway, the task
>> of
>> dictionaries is not to discard unnecessary words, but to record those
>> in use.
>> As I wrote previously, I'm familiar with the word -- though I doubt
>> that I've
>> ever actually used it myself.
>>
>>
>> Michael Lewis
>> -------------------
>> Brandle Pty Limited
>> Sydney, Australia
>> -------------------
>
> Michael E. Granat
> (QGTWD) (FOTROTWYB!)
> T/as Write Ideas
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> Web: <http://home.pacific.net.au/~megranat/>
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> E&OE.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:25:43 +1100
> From: "SUNTER Bede" <Bede_SUNTER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> This is more commonly referred to as 'Receiving inspection'.
> Sorry, but despite it's 17th C antecedence, the word 'receival' makes
> me =
> gag. It seems like an example of someone trying to needlessly dignify
> the=
> ir prose with 90 cent words when 20 cent words would do just as well.
>
> Which reminds me, I've recently has a tussel with a programmer who
> insist=
> s on using the term 'updation' to refer to the process normally called
> 'u=
> pdating'. Maybe some people just can't stand gerunds.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Terry D
> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 19:27 PM
> To: ATW
> Subject: atw: Re: Macquarie dictionary -- receival
>
>
> <Rhonda wrote:>
> No - "receipt" and "receivable" but no "receival"
> (Macquarie 3rd edition, p1777)
> =3D=3D=3D
> Thanks to Rhonda, Michael G and Warren L.
>
> It's in a doc I'm updating. They include a 'Receival
> Inspection' of the goods.=20
>
> I did a google and found some 30k hits. Almost all of
> the early hits are Australian and tend to deal with
> grain and/or shipping. Maybe we Aussies have invented
> a new word. And as I recall, the grain receival bins
> were one of the biggest employers of vacation students
> not so long ago so it's probably fairly well accepted
> here.
>
> I'll change the term so our OS clients can't criticise
> our spelling.
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
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> From: "Silcock, Howard DR" <Howard.Silcock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:20:03 +1100
>
> Bede conjectured that "maybe some people just can't stand gerunds". I
> think
> some people can't stand plain English.
>
> I've never seen "updation" before (and don't want to see it again),
> but I
> get tired of changing sentences like "the contractor was tasked to take
> carriage of the reinstallation of the package" to "we asked the
> contractor
> to reinstall the package". And changing "during the system upgrade
> users may
> experience a degradation in response time" to "the system may be slower
> during upgrade".
>
> It's not just gerunds, though it's true that the same people do for
> some
> reason seem to prefer "commence the implementation of XXX" to "start
> implementing XXX".
>
> Howard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:57:40 +1100
>
> Howard,
>
> the price of precision is a focus upon exaggeration and nominalisation
> - verbs into nouns. This act 'pushes away' the relational nature of
> the verb and so cuts off the writer of the phrase from the involvement
> in the activity; and so no responsibility for the activity (think of
> the use of the verb "to divorce" - people will nominalise it to "this
> divorce is killing me" where the terms imply one has no control of it,
> it has become a 'thing', independent)
>
> differentiating allows for precision but comes with a property of push
> away to make the 'point'.
>
> differentiating also focuses on assertion of universals such that
> nominalisations are also exaggerated, can be made more 'grandious' in
> expression.
>
> The gerund reflects a superposition, verb and noun share the same
> space, and context, be it personal or social, collapses the 'wave'
> into a 'particle'. The more 'differentiating' the context the more a
> focus on using the noun. The more integrating the context - the more a
> focus on using the verb.
>
> The verb form is more organic, (AND oriented, linkage, relational) the
> noun form is more mechanistic (XOR oriented, discrete, object).
>
> Technical documentation will often reflect the attempt to universalise
> something through pumping it up with 'energy', to over-emphasise the
> 'point'. It will also reflect specialisation (a product of XOR
> thinking is fragmentation) and so jargon develops.
>
> If the technical documentation is FOR technical people then they can
> get off on the jargon and over-emphasis - it is all about precision.
> The less technical so the more 'feely' the document, more verbs, more
> flow, less bullet points containing jargon ;-)
>
> Chris.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:08:21 +1100
> From: "SUNTER Bede" <Bede_SUNTER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Bruce,
>
> "The comedy show 'FrontPage'"
> =20
> I think that comedy show was 'Frontline'.=20
> FrontPage is a web development application=20
> from Micr ... No, you're right, it's a comedy ...
>
> Famously, Phillip Adams claimed to refuse to=20
> watch 'A Current Affair' because, he said, "it was=20
> only a send-up of Frontline."
>
> cheers and regards
> Bede
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of BJA
> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 13:12 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> In a single camera shoot, noddies are usually (but not always) done
> after
> the event so that the interviewer can be seen to interact with their
> victim.
> 'Stock' noddies are also used from time to time as the need arises.
>
> The comedy show 'FrontPage' used to lampoon this process all the time
> as
> does 'Russell Coight' (he does the white hand into black hand handshake
> when
> both people are white etc.).
>
> But you are right Brian, I hate it when they do too much of it as it
> distracts from the story.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce Ashley
> Senior Technical Writer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Edward
> Granat
> Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 1:39 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> Yes, indeed, Brian.
>
> A very intriguing observation.
>
> Those noddies were rather distracting. Just a tad too earnest and
> concerned, as if Liz Jackson was making faces in a mirror. I knew that
> there was something odd about that show that irked me at the time and I
> couldn't quite put my finger on it. Plus it looked like she did her
> noddy
> shots in a completely different room or building. I just hope that the
> questions that we saw were actually the ones that were asked and, for
> that matter, that Liz Jackson was the one who asked them!
>
> One never even knows if the sequence and completeness of the answers
> were edited for effect and a different slant on the story.
>
> Believing one's own eyes isn't what it used to be.
>
> For those of you on this list who are unaware of the TV industry term
> "noddies" or "noddy shots", these are the cutaway shots of a journalist
> /
> presenter asking questions of an interviewee, from an interview during
> which only one camera was available, which was aimed at the subject.
>
> This is a commonplace TV industry practice, in which the journalist
> re-reads his or her questions for the camera later, hopefully (but
> rarely)
> done in the same room, to be re-cut into the interview for broadcast.
>
> Noddies are so named because they usually include supposed cutaway
> shots of the interviewer nodding in agreement and looking pensively at
> the
> camera, as they hear and watch the playback of the interview.
>
> In the worst examples of noddies, you can see that the room in which
> the
> interviewer is seated is quite different to the one in which the
> interview
> was done and, sometimes, you can even see a reflection or glow of the
> playback monitor in the interviewer's spectacles or in a background
> object.
>
> So, for you Enid Blyton fans, these noddies have nothing to do with her
> books, unless the interviewer happens to have Big Ears.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Granat
> Write Ideas*
> Carnegie, Victoria, Australia.
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>
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> Registered (1987) Corporate Affairs Victoria
>
> Plain English Technical Communication.
> Advertising Copywriting.
> Business Writing.
>
> E&OE - Errors & Omissions Excepted
>
> At 18:47 19/2/2005, you wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>> Had a look at the docco. Rod was good value. Found Liz's noddies a bit
>> distracting.
>> If I had been in Rod's place and she actually pulled those faces, I
> would
>> have found
>> it hard not to burst out laughing.
>> Brian.
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> From: "nigeldawes" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:20:12 +1100
>
> I got through about 1/2 of that and then realised it
> was just a joke (but I forgot to laugh).
> Keep trying Chris!
>
> Friendly Regards
> Nigel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 1:58 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
>
>
> Howard,
>
> the price of precision is a focus upon exaggeration and
> nominalisation - verbs into nouns. This act 'pushes
> away' the relational nature of the verb and so cuts off
> the writer of the phrase from the involvement in the
> activity; and so no responsibility for the activity
> (think of the use of the verb "to divorce" - people
> will nominalise it to "this divorce is killing me"
> where the terms imply one has no control of it, it has
> become a 'thing', independent)
>
> differentiating allows for precision but comes with a
> property of push away to make the 'point'.
>
> differentiating also focuses on assertion of universals
> such that nominalisations are also exaggerated, can be
> made more 'grandious' in expression.
>
> The gerund reflects a superposition, verb and noun
> share the same space, and context, be it personal or
> social, collapses the 'wave' into a 'particle'. The
> more 'differentiating' the context the more a focus on
> using the noun. The more integrating the context - the
> more a focus on using the verb.
>
> The verb form is more organic, (AND oriented, linkage,
> relational) the noun form is more mechanistic (XOR
> oriented, discrete, object).
>
> Technical documentation will often reflect the attempt
> to universalise something through pumping it up with
> 'energy', to over-emphasise the 'point'. It will also
> reflect specialisation (a product of XOR thinking is
> fragmentation) and so jargon develops.
>
> If the technical documentation is FOR technical people
> then they can get off on the jargon and over-emphasis -
> it is all about precision. The less technical so the
> more 'feely' the document, more verbs, more flow, less
> bullet points containing jargon ;-)
>
> Chris.
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> From: "nigeldawes" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:31:13 +1100
>
> Furthermore...
>
>>> it is all about precision.
> Yeh, Chris I hate long jokes too!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 1:58 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
>
>
> Howard,
>
> the price of precision is a focus upon exaggeration and
> nominalisation - verbs into nouns. This act 'pushes
> away' the relational nature of the verb and so cuts off
> the writer of the phrase from the involvement in the
> activity; and so no responsibility for the activity
> (think of the use of the verb "to divorce" - people
> will nominalise it to "this divorce is killing me"
> where the terms imply one has no control of it, it has
> become a 'thing', independent)
>
> differentiating allows for precision but comes with a
> property of push away to make the 'point'.
>
> differentiating also focuses on assertion of universals
> such that nominalisations are also exaggerated, can be
> made more 'grandious' in expression.
>
> The gerund reflects a superposition, verb and noun
> share the same space, and context, be it personal or
> social, collapses the 'wave' into a 'particle'. The
> more 'differentiating' the context the more a focus on
> using the noun. The more integrating the context - the
> more a focus on using the verb.
>
> The verb form is more organic, (AND oriented, linkage,
> relational) the noun form is more mechanistic (XOR
> oriented, discrete, object).
>
> Technical documentation will often reflect the attempt
> to universalise something through pumping it up with
> 'energy', to over-emphasise the 'point'. It will also
> reflect specialisation (a product of XOR thinking is
> fragmentation) and so jargon develops.
>
> If the technical documentation is FOR technical people
> then they can get off on the jargon and over-emphasis -
> it is all about precision. The less technical so the
> more 'feely' the document, more verbs, more flow, less
> bullet points containing jargon ;-)
>
> Chris.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:14:34 +1100
>
> you must be bored. You seek interaction. Ok....
>
> It was no joke. the fact that you found it 'difficult' to comprehend,
> to the degree that you had to interpret it as some form of joke (since
> you obviously could not focus attention long enough to 'think' about
> it) is sad to see. (using exaggeration/nominalisation to show
> exaggeration/nominalisation is useful - if one 'gets it')
>
> A problem of our times, instant gratification over delayed; fast food
> over a long, good, five course dinner.
>
> Then of course there is the issue where the first thing that happens
> to intelligent people, when exposed to the 'unfamiliar', in their
> vanity pops out!
>
> You need to do better. Lift. Get into the depths of your nature,
> wallow a bit.
>
> 'hugs and kisses'
>
> Chris.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "nigeldawes" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:23:10 +1100
>
> Chris, I really don't follow you. I could blame it on
> myself, but would like to think it's just your rather
> poor sentence structure, bad punctuation, lack of
> capitals where required ...not to mention a
> considerable amount of ramble!
>
> Keep your your kisses and hugs for that "special"
> someone who appreciates you.
>
> Friendly Regards
> Nigel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:15 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
>
>
> you must be bored. You seek interaction. Ok....
>
> It was no joke. the fact that you found it 'difficult'
> to comprehend, to the degree that you had to interpret
> it as some form of joke (since you obviously could not
> focus attention long enough to 'think' about it) is sad
> to see. (using exaggeration/nominalisation to show
> exaggeration/nominalisation is useful - if one 'gets
> it')
>
> A problem of our times, instant gratification over
> delayed; fast food over a long, good, five course
> dinner.
>
> Then of course there is the issue where the first thing
> that happens to intelligent people, when exposed to the
> 'unfamiliar', in their vanity pops out!
>
> You need to do better. Lift. Get into the depths of
> your nature, wallow a bit.
>
> 'hugs and kisses'
>
> Chris.
>
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> From: Stevens Garry <garstevens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Updation
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:37:09 +1100
>
> Hi All;
>
> A quick google shows the horrible 'updation' seems to be used in
> Indian/Pakistani English, and not only in an IT context. Goodness
> gracious
> me!
>
> Garry
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> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:49:44 +1100
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of nigeldawes
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:23 PM
>> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
>> dictionary
>>
>>
>> Chris, I really don't follow you. I could blame it on
>> myself, but would like to think it's just your ...
>
> Oh look -- the vanity. "I am an intelligent person. I dont understand
> this. It must be rubbish" LOL! ... and all of that done in a format of
> dismissing something as a 'joke' since you were unable to comprehend
> it. Vanity Vanity Vanity. Could you have replied "I dont understand,
> please explain?" - yes. Did you? - no. Could you have just ignored it?
> - yes? did you - no.
>
> Your bored. Your ego needs strokes or something. You seek interaction
> through being dismissive, shallow. There is something you dont
> understand and that cannot be can it?!
>
> ...and then you come up with editorial comment as if this was some
> sort of 'formal document' in need of constant review etc etc; more
> LOL! All it was was a 'quick' email commenting on content Howard's
> email. Simple. Now, if you cannot understand what it means, and all
> you can do is attack the punctuation, call it a joke etc then, IMHO,
> you have some issues.
>
> So... is that enough interaction for you? Do you feel 'better' for it?
> Had your 'fun' for the day? or did it backfire?
>
> You need to do better.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "nigeldawes" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly! was "Gerunds rule OK" and prior
> to t
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:56:10 +1100
>
> You don't say, Chris (literally).
>
> ;-)
> Friendly Regards
> Nigel
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:50 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of nigeldawes
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:23 PM
>> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
>> dictionary
>>
>>
>> Chris, I really don't follow you. I could blame it on
>> myself, but would like to think it's just your ...
>
> Oh look -- the vanity. "I am an intelligent person. I
> dont understand this. It must be rubbish" LOL! ... and
> all of that done in a format of dismissing something as
> a 'joke' since you were unable to comprehend it. Vanity
> Vanity Vanity. Could you have replied "I dont
> understand, please explain?" - yes. Did you? - no.
> Could you have just ignored it? - yes? did you - no.
>
> Your bored. Your ego needs strokes or something. You
> seek interaction through being dismissive, shallow.
> There is something you dont understand and that cannot
> be can it?!
>
> ...and then you come up with editorial comment as if
> this was some sort of 'formal document' in need of
> constant review etc etc; more LOL! All it was was a
> 'quick' email commenting on content Howard's email.
> Simple. Now, if you cannot understand what it means,
> and all you can do is attack the punctuation, call it a
> joke etc then, IMHO, you have some issues.
>
> So... is that enough interaction for you? Do you feel
> 'better' for it? Had your 'fun' for the day? or did it
> backfire?
>
> You need to do better.
>
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>
> From: "nigeldawes" <nigel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:10:14 +1100
>
> Chris, I'm not going to converses with someone that
> stoops to personal insults.
>
> I know to quit while ahead.
>
> I bid you adieu until a sensible subject is entered in
> to.
>
> Happy Regards
> Nigel
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:50 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
> dictionary
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of nigeldawes
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 3:23 PM
>> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: atw: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK
> (WAS Re: Macquarie
>> dictionary
>>
>>
>> Chris, I really don't follow you. I could blame it on
>> myself, but would like to think it's just your ...
>
> Oh look -- the vanity. "I am an intelligent person. I
> dont understand this. It must be rubbish" LOL! ... and
> all of that done in a format of dismissing something as
> a 'joke' since you were unable to comprehend it. Vanity
> Vanity Vanity. Could you have replied "I dont
> understand, please explain?" - yes. Did you? - no.
> Could you have just ignored it? - yes? did you - no.
>
> Your bored. Your ego needs strokes or something. You
> seek interaction through being dismissive, shallow.
> There is something you dont understand and that cannot
> be can it?!
>
> ...and then you come up with editorial comment as if
> this was some sort of 'formal document' in need of
> constant review etc etc; more LOL! All it was was a
> 'quick' email commenting on content Howard's email.
> Simple. Now, if you cannot understand what it means,
> and all you can do is attack the punctuation, call it a
> joke etc then, IMHO, you have some issues.
>
> So... is that enough interaction for you? Do you feel
> 'better' for it? Had your 'fun' for the day? or did it
> backfire?
>
> You need to do better.
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:12:59 +1100 (EST)
> From: Terry D <morgan4four@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: "Receival" and dictionaries . . .
>
> I'm a bit fearful of entering the fray again.
>
> Michael G pretty much hit the nail... I'm reluctanct
> to use words if people who are uncertain of their
> meaning can't find them in a glossary or dictionary.
>
> Yes, I agree the meaning is fairly obvious. But if you
> can't find it in regularly available dictionaries, use
> something different or add it to the glossary.
>
> And speaking of 'English floating around'--there was
> an ad in the real estate section of last Saturday's
> West for a house in Gosnells (suburb of Perth) that
> had a "sunken lounge with floating floors". Sounds
> interesting.
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrea Tappe <Andrea.Tappe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: OT: sunken lounges and floating floors
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:14:21 +1100
>
>
> That would be the greenhouse effect for you ... ;-)
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> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly! was \"Gerunds rule OK\" and
> prio
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:21:53 +1100
>
>> You don't say, Chris (literally).
>>
>
> wow - more dismissal! tsk tsk you must have more choices than that - I
> mean it gets boring after while!
>
> ... and what IS 'plain silly'? What emotion goes with that -
> rejection? ... and so dismissal!? Boy - small repetoir! IMHO you need
> to spread out a bit more, more choices, otherwise the prose gets
> 'bogged down'.
>
> lets see, emotions, encoding of:
>
> anger
> sex/love
> acceptance
> surprise
>
> anticipation
> rejection
> grief
> fear
>
> The first four cover a focus on REPLACEMENT of context, erradication
> of 'foe'.
> The second four cover a focus on COEXISTENCE of context, having to
> share space with 'foe'. You focused strongly on rejection - both
> proactively (original statements) and reactively (recent statements) -
> so it seems to dominate your style of thinking.... I wonder what
> affect that has on your style writing?
>
> Practice. Try some of the others.
>
> BTW:
>
> From grief comes discernment.
> From anticipation (of wrong doing) comes cultivation (anticipation of
> right doing)
>
> From anger comes singlemindedness (devotion to self)
> From fear comes dualmindedness (devotion to another/others)
>
> Have fun. Branch out.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:33:20 +1100
>
>> Chris, I'm not going to converses with someone that
>> stoops to personal insults.
>>
>
> really - and you dont consider your first email as possibly insulting?
> Wow - what vanity!
>
>> I know to quit while ahead.
>>
>
> :-) more vanity.
>
>
>> I bid you adieu until a sensible subject is entered in
>> to.
>>
>
> oh -- so your not a sensible subject? LOL! As covered in my last post,
> an issue develops re your dismissiveness and how it may affect your
> writing.
>
> My work is technical technical writing - IOW I feed the technocrats -
> all very self-referencing ;-) - positive, forward, but jargonised. No
> problem to me. A problem for you? If you dont understand something do
> you always dismiss it? Ignore the possibility of learning something?
>
> Dismissiveness, rejection, maps to a security-seeker. Me? I map to a
> problem solver. (four basic types - you need to write formal prose to
> cover the nuances but on a list there is, should be, no issues! ;-)
>
> identity seekers
> security seekers
> solution seekers (problem solvers)
> sensation seekers
>
> Your prose suggests strong security seeking, you have experiences
> betrayals and so put up boundaries - keep out the 'rubbish' ;-) Very
> values oriented, good/bad as compared to true/false of solution
> seeking.
>
> The issue here is that, although this favours editors, it can lack
> 'creativity' due to its rigidity - IOW something is not 'perfect'
> until the margins are right etc. Now that is fine for the 'final
> draft' of some format document, but for an email!? LOL!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Naomi Kramer" <nomesque@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:35:02 +1000
> Subject: Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
>
> Huh?
> At the risk of a wordy reprimand... the punishment, while perhaps
> fitting the 'crime', seems rather cruel and unusual, especially when
> inflicted on the poor souls whose only crime was to stay silent?
>
> - Naomi
>
>>> You don't say, Chris (literally).
>>>
>>
>> wow - more dismissal! tsk tsk you must have more choices than that
>> - I mean it gets boring after while!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: lofting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:59:29 +1100
>
> Naomi - you have come out to play! Kool..
>
> so, how do YOU think your emotional defence systems affect your prose?
>
> Chris.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Naomi Kramer" <nomesque@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:47 +1000
> Subject: Re: OT: Now.... Now Plain Silly!
>
> I take a somewhat passive-agressive approach - attempt to indirectly
> strengthen the reader's impression of me by taking the higher moral
> ground while appearing humble and conciliatory... and occasionally
> humorous. Unfortunately this often leads me into the sin of long,
> involved sentences and emailing fellow techwriters when I should be
> working... :-)
> - Naomi
>
>> Naomi - you have come out to play! Kool..
>>
>> so, how do YOU think your emotional defence systems affect your
> prose?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> From: Stuart Burnfield <sburnf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:12:06 +0800
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes! Yes! This is exactly what happened when I said:
>
> DQoNCg0KDQo+IEJ5IHRoZSB3YXksIFBpY2FzYSB0YWtlcyDigJxVbmRv4oCdIHRvIGEgd2h
> vbGUg
>
> bmV3IGxldmVsOg0KPiDigJxZb3UgY2FuIHVuZG8gYW5kIHJlZG8geW91ciBlZGl0cyBmb3J
> ldmVy
>
> Li4uIHlvdSBjYW4NCj4gc2h1dCBQaWNhc2EgZG93biwgY29tZSBiYWNrIGEgd2VlayBsYXR
> lciwg
>
> YW5kIHVuZG8gYQ0KPiBjaGFuZ2UgeW91IGRpZG4ndCBsa...
>
> Some people just *dismissed* it without making the effort to
> understand!
>
> Stuart
>
>> Oh look -- the vanity. "I am an intelligent person. I dont
>> understand this. It must be rubbish" LOL! ... and all of that done
>> in a format of dismissing something as a 'joke' since you were
>> unable to comprehend it. Vanity Vanity Vanity. Could you have
>> replied "I dont understand, please explain?" - yes. Did you? - no.
>> Could you have just ignored it? - yes? did you - no.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "BJA" <bashley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:31:58 +1100
>
> Ha, very true Bede. :)
> Frontline it was and I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Adams for a
> change :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce Ashley
> Senior Technical Writer
> A subsidiary of The Boeing Company
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of SUNTER Bede
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 2:08 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> "The comedy show 'FrontPage'"
> =20
> I think that comedy show was 'Frontline'.=20
> FrontPage is a web development application=20
> from Micr ... No, you're right, it's a comedy ...
>
> Famously, Phillip Adams claimed to refuse to=20
> watch 'A Current Affair' because, he said, "it was=20
> only a send-up of Frontline."
>
> cheers and regards
> Bede
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of BJA
> Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 13:12 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> In a single camera shoot, noddies are usually (but not always) done
> after
> the event so that the interviewer can be seen to interact with their
> victim.
> 'Stock' noddies are also used from time to time as the need arises.
>
> The comedy show 'FrontPage' used to lampoon this process all the time
> as
> does 'Russell Coight' (he does the white hand into black hand handshake
> when
> both people are white etc.).
>
> But you are right Brian, I hate it when they do too much of it as it
> distracts from the story.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce Ashley
> Senior Technical Writer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Edward
> Granat
> Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 1:39 PM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> Yes, indeed, Brian.
>
> A very intriguing observation.
>
> Those noddies were rather distracting. Just a tad too earnest and
> concerned, as if Liz Jackson was making faces in a mirror. I knew that
> there was something odd about that show that irked me at the time and I
> couldn't quite put my finger on it. Plus it looked like she did her
> noddy
> shots in a completely different room or building. I just hope that the
> questions that we saw were actually the ones that were asked and, for
> that matter, that Liz Jackson was the one who asked them!
>
> One never even knows if the sequence and completeness of the answers
> were edited for effect and a different slant on the story.
>
> Believing one's own eyes isn't what it used to be.
>
> For those of you on this list who are unaware of the TV industry term
> "noddies" or "noddy shots", these are the cutaway shots of a journalist
> /
> presenter asking questions of an interviewee, from an interview during
> which only one camera was available, which was aimed at the subject.
>
> This is a commonplace TV industry practice, in which the journalist
> re-reads his or her questions for the camera later, hopefully (but
> rarely)
> done in the same room, to be re-cut into the interview for broadcast.
>
> Noddies are so named because they usually include supposed cutaway
> shots of the interviewer nodding in agreement and looking pensively at
> the
> camera, as they hear and watch the playback of the interview.
>
> In the worst examples of noddies, you can see that the room in which
> the
> interviewer is seated is quite different to the one in which the
> interview
> was done and, sometimes, you can even see a reflection or glow of the
> playback monitor in the interviewer's spectacles or in a background
> object.
>
> So, for you Enid Blyton fans, these noddies have nothing to do with her
> books, unless the interviewer happens to have Big Ears.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Granat
> Write Ideas*
> Carnegie, Victoria, Australia.
> E-mail: megranat@xxxxxxxx
>
> *Trading As business #0828673K
> Registered (1987) Corporate Affairs Victoria
>
> Plain English Technical Communication.
> Advertising Copywriting.
> Business Writing.
>
> E&OE - Errors & Omissions Excepted
>
> At 18:47 19/2/2005, you wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>> Had a look at the docco. Rod was good value. Found Liz's noddies a bit
>> distracting.
>> If I had been in Rod's place and she actually pulled those faces, I
> would
>> have found
>> it hard not to burst out laughing.
>> Brian.
>
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> From: "BJA" <bashley@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Gerunds rule OK (WAS Re: Macquarie
> diction
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:47:43 +1100
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Let me see... "your not a sensible subject" should be "you're not a
> sensible
> subject".
>
> I let the "Your bored" slip by in the last email but now I'M bored so I
> thought I'd stick my nose into your little lovers spat and mention the
> slip
> in case it is an actual blind spot (I have a couple of these).
>
> There was heaps of other stuff but I'll let those slip through to the
> keeper
> just making the point that as professional communicators, we should at
> least
> run a spell check before sending out emails to a peer group. Failing
> to do
> so warrants a slap in my book.
>
> BTW, I can't see where the vanity angle comes in Chris but I'll defend
> my
> desk mirror to the death.
>
> <sigh> It must be time to go home.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce Ashley
> Senior Technical Writer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Peter G. Martin" <pmartin11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:47:38 +1100
> Subject: Re: (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The "Secrets and Lies".
>
>
> And of course, dog lovers= will know that Frontline is a treatment to
> ward
> off  fleas and ticks..=  
>
>  SUNTER Bede:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:08:21= +1100, =A0you are alleged to have
> written:
>> =A0Bruce,
>>
>> =A0"The comedy show= 'FrontPage'"
>> =A0=3D20
>> =A0I think that comedy show was= 'Frontline'.=3D20
>> =A0FrontPage is a web development= application=3D20
>> =A0from Micr ... No, you're right,= it's a comedy ...
>>
>> =A0Famously, Phillip Adams claimed to= refuse to=3D20
>> =A0watch 'A Current Affair' because,= he said, "it was=3D20
>> =A0only a send-up of= Frontline."
>>
>> =A0cheers and regards
>> =A0Bede
>>
>> =A0-----Original= Message-----
>> =A0From:=
>> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>=A0[mailto:austechwriter-bo=
> unce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On[0] Behalf>=A0Of BJA Sent: Monday,= 21 February
> 2005
> 13:12 PM To:>=A0austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> =A0Subject: atw: Re: (O.T.) For Those= Who Missed The
>> =A0"Secrets and Lies".
>>
>>
>> =A0In a single camera shoot, noddies= are usually (but not
>> =A0always) done after
>> =A0the event so that the interviewer= can be seen to
>> =A0interact with their= victim.
>> =A0'Stock' noddies are also used from= time to time as the
>> =A0need arises.
>>
>> =A0The comedy show 'FrontPage' used to= lampoon this
>> =A0process all the time as does= 'Russell Coight' (he does>=A0the
>> white
> handinto= black hand handshake when both>=A0people are white= etc.).
>>
>> =A0But you are right Brian, I hate it= when they do too
>> =A0much of it as it distracts from the= story.
>>
>> =A0Cheers,
>>
>> =A0Bruce Ashley
>> =A0Senior Technical Writer
>>
>>
>> =A0-----Original= Message-----
>> =A0From:=
>> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>=A0[mailto:austechwriter-bo=
> unce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On[0] Behalf>=A0Of Michael Edward= Granat Sent:
> Sunday,
> 20February>=A02005 1:39 PM To:=
> austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>=A0Subject: atw:
> Re:= (O.T.) For Those Who Missed The>=A0"Secrets and= Lies".
>>
>>
>> =A0Yes, indeed, Brian.
>>
>> =A0A very intriguing= observation.
>>
>> =A0Those noddies were rather= distracting. =A0Just a tad
>> too>=A0earnest
> and=concerned, as if Liz Jackson was making
>> =A0faces in a mirror. =A0I knew that= there was something
>> =A0odd about that show that irked me= at the time and I
>> =A0couldn't quite put my finger on it.= =A0Plus it looked
>> =A0like she did her noddy
>> =A0shots in a completely different= room or building. =A0I
>> =A0just hope that the questions that= we saw were actually
>> =A0the ones that were asked and, for= that matter, that
>> =A0Liz Jackson was the one who asked= them!
>>
>> =A0One never even knows if the= sequence and completeness>=A0of the
>> answers
> were= edited for effect and a different>=A0slant on the= story.
>>
>> =A0Believing one's own eyes isn't what= it used to be.
>>
>> =A0For those of you on this list who= are unaware of the
>> =A0TV industry term "noddies" or= "noddy shots", these are>=A0the
>> cutaway
> shots of= a journalist /
>> =A0presenter asking questions of an= interviewee, from an
>> =A0interview during which only one= camera was available,>=A0which was
> aimedat= the subject.
>>
>> =A0This is a commonplace TV industry= practice, in which
>> =A0the journalist re-reads his or her= questions for the
>> =A0camera later, hopefully (but= rarely)
>> =A0done in the same room, to be re-cut= into the interview
>> =A0for broadcast.
>>
>> =A0Noddies are so named because they= usually include
>> =A0supposed cutaway shots of the= interviewer nodding in>=A0agreement
>> and=
> looking pensively at the>=A0camera, as they hear= and watch the
> playback of
> the>=A0interview.
>>
>> =A0In the worst examples of noddies,= you can see that the
>> =A0room in which the interviewer is= seated is quite
>> =A0different to the one in which the= interview
>> =A0was done and, sometimes, you can= even see a reflection>=A0or glow
>> of
> the= playback monitor in the interviewer's
>> =A0spectacles or in a background= object.
>>
>> =A0So, for you Enid Blyton fans, these= noddies have
>> =A0nothing to do with her books,= unless the interviewer>=A0happens
>> to have
> Big= Ears.
>>
>> =A0Cheers,
>>
>> =A0Michael
>>
>> =A0Michael Granat
>> =A0Write Ideas*
>> =A0Carnegie, Victoria,= Australia.
>> =A0E-mail: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= megranat@xxxxxxxx
>>
>> =A0*Trading As business= #0828673K
>> =A0Registered (1987) Corporate Affairs= Victoria
>>
>> =A0Plain English Technical= Communication.
>> =A0Advertising= Copywriting.
>> =A0Business Writing.
>>
>> =A0E&OE - Errors &=A0Omissions= Excepted
>>
>> =A0At 18:47 19/2/2005, you= wrote:
>>> =A0Hi Michael,
>>> =A0Had a look at the docco. Rod= was good value. Found>>=A0Liz's
>>> noddies=
> abit distracting.
>>> =A0If I had been in Rod's place= and she actually pulled>>=A0those
>>> faces,=
> I
>>>
>> =A0would
>>> =A0have found
>>> =A0it hard not to burst out= laughing.
>>> =A0Brian.
>>>
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