Oh crikey, Terry, how to make you understand. You wrote: "I get the feeling that you and Michael feel that you can write whatever you like, without the need to conform to standards or styles, as long as it gets your point across. I cannot. I believe most technical writers can't. In how many documents for clients or consumers have you used youse?" You simply have not grasped this thread (or kept up with it). If the purpose of writing is to communicate and if unfamiliar or unconventional language is likely to distract our readers, then I don't use it. I don't use "youse" in technical writing ... now. But if it is conventional in 50 or 100 years time, I would use it. It will no longer be distracting. I don't write just anything at all. I write with respect for my reader. If I thought I could get my point across but used unconventional language, I'd be a fool. Anything that distracts a reader is a potential communication risk. My readers may give up on me. And, as this thread has strongly attested, "youse" would be distracting. Now. Get it now? Here is my golden rule. I write to: * get my message across * get my message across with the least effort on my readers' part and * get my message across with the least distraction on my readers' part There is no anarchy in this. I don't write whatever I like. I have said many times in this thread that we need shared understanding, and hence shared conventions, if we are to communicate. But unlike you, I don't treat these conventions as if they are right or wrong, correct or incorrect. Do yourself a favour and study the history of English. You might find that your cherished "standards" are no more absolute than the cherished standards that were abandoned in the 19th century, the 18th century, the 17th century etc. ad nauseam. Language is, and always has, changed. Your great-grand-children will be laughing at you if they get their hands on this thread. You will sound as silly as John Dryden sounds to us now (Dryden being the fool who decreed that we shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition). Finally, on the issue of respect for your reader: if you expect your readers to look up words you use that are no longer conventional, you are really not showing them much respect at all. Geoffrey Marnell Principal Consultant Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd T: +61 3 9596 3456 F: +61 3 9596 3625 W: www.abelard.com.au Skype: geoffrey.marnell -----Original Message----- ************************************************** To view the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field (without quotes). To manage your subscription (e.g., set and unset DIGEST and VACATION modes) go to www.freelists.org/list/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************