atw: Re: 'Within' or just 'in'? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
- From: James Hunt <jameshunt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:51:09 +1000
A good dictionary beats a usage guide any day. "Within" gets quite a
run in my favorite dictionary, the 2-volume Shorter Oxford. Several
centimetres down the entry, I found "...as a mere synonym for IN",
and then the refinement "...with emphasis on the restriction or
confinement by limits or boundaries".
So if you want to use "within", I suggest that it should be used in
circumstances involving boundaries, restrictions, or limitations.
Otherwise, use "in" and save ink.
James Hunt
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On 01 May 2006, at 11:19 AM, Silcock, Howard DR wrote:
Recently I've found myself repeatedly changing 'within' to 'in' in
documents I've been editing. For example, when I see 'abbreviations
used
within this document', my red pen goes through the 'with' part of
'within', almost by itself.
However, where possible I like to have some quotable authority to back
me up when I make these changes. So I've been hunting - and I can't
find
any usage guide that even mentions the distinction between 'within'
and
'in'. I'm sure there are places where 'within' is a better word to
use -
for example, where you want extra emphasis - but can anyone point
me to
a document that explains the difference in meaning? (I'm talking about
the prepositional use, not adverbial, by the way.)
Some of you may remember the Editor's Blacklist
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~howard.silcock/checklist.html) that I
developed, based on work with other technical writers who worked
here at
Defence, and shamelessly plugged on this list some time ago. Well, we
included 'within' on the Blacklist, but as far as I remember it was
one
of the others who proposed it and we didn't ever look for any
justification. I think removing four unnecessary letters is a pretty
good justification on its own, but I'm still surprised that I can't
find
any support from Fowler or one of those other sources.
Can anyone help?
Howard
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Howard L. Silcock
Technical Writer
Common Services SOE Program
Network Infrastructure Development
Department of Defence
109 Kent Street
Deakin ACT 2600
(02) 626 58395
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On 01 May 2006, at 11:19 AM, Silcock, Howard DR wrote:
documents I've been editing. For example, when I see 'abbreviations used
within this document', my red pen goes through the 'with' part of
'within', almost by itself.
However, where possible I like to have some quotable authority to back
me up when I make these changes. So I've been hunting - and I can't find
any usage guide that even mentions the distinction between 'within' and
'in'. I'm sure there are places where 'within' is a better word to use -
for example, where you want extra emphasis - but can anyone point me to
a document that explains the difference in meaning? (I'm talking about
the prepositional use, not adverbial, by the way.)
Some of you may remember the Editor's Blacklist
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~howard.silcock/checklist.html) that I
developed, based on work with other technical writers who worked here at
Defence, and shamelessly plugged on this list some time ago. Well, we
included 'within' on the Blacklist, but as far as I remember it was one
of the others who proposed it and we didn't ever look for any
justification. I think removing four unnecessary letters is a pretty
good justification on its own, but I'm still surprised that I can't find
any support from Fowler or one of those other sources.
Can anyone help?
Howard
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Howard L. Silcock
Technical Writer
Common Services SOE Program
Network Infrastructure Development
Department of Defence
109 Kent Street
Deakin ACT 2600
(02) 626 58395
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