atw: Re: US/Aus English
- From: Michael Edward Granat <megranat@xxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:01:29 +1000
You might well be right, Peter (B).
Indeed, you may even be right.
(Even if you don't require my permission to be so.)
That said, let us take a look at an extract of what Bill
Bryson wrote in his "Dictionary of Troublesome Words"
for "can, may".
(Wow, punctuation within quotes, but I was quoting a
punctuated piece. See ya later punctuator! In a while
apostrophile!)
"can, may. You have probably heard it a thousand times
before, but it bears repeating that can applies to what is
possible and may to what is permissible."
If the 'Merkins don't think that might is right, who does!
HTH.
Regards,
Michael
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:37:07 +1000
From: Peter Bloxsom <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: US/Aus English
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
There's a lot more to the question between "may" and "might" than
you suggest, Michael. It isn't true that "may" is appropriate only
in expressing permission. The words "may" and "might" are forms of
the same auxiliary verb, with a whole cluster of idiomatic meanings.
Collins Dictionary and others give examples, and there's a long
article on the subject in "Modern Australian Usage" (OUP). Certainly
in Australia, the US, the UK, and other Anglophone countries, both
"may" and "might" are used to express probability. In these senses,
as Collins puts it:
The difference between "may" and "might" is one of
emphasis: "he might be coming" usually indicates less
certainty than "he may be coming".
A complication is that "might" is both the past tense and the
subjunctive form of "may". "If the Government acts, the problem may
not arise" is normal and correct. So is "If the Government had
acted, the problem might not have arisen". But sometimes the two are
inelegantly combined: "If the Government had acted, the problem may
not have arisen." That sounds wrong.
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There's a lot more to the question between "may" and "might" than you suggest, Michael. It isn't true that "may" is appropriate only in expressing permission. The words "may" and "might" are forms of the same auxiliary verb, with a whole cluster of idiomatic meanings. Collins Dictionary and others give examples, and there's a long article on the subject in "Modern Australian Usage" (OUP). Certainly in Australia, the US, the UK, and other Anglophone countries, both "may" and "might" are used to express probability. In these senses, as Collins puts it:
The difference between "may" and "might" is one of emphasis: "he might be coming" usually indicates less certainty than "he may be coming".
A complication is that "might" is both the past tense and the subjunctive form of "may". "If the Government acts, the problem may not arise" is normal and correct. So is "If the Government had acted, the problem might not have arisen". But sometimes the two are inelegantly combined: "If the Government had acted, the problem may not have arisen." That sounds wrong. ------------------------------------------ Peter Bloxsom http://www.netpublish.net peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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