atw: Re: OT: Versing

Hi Brian,

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> Hi Chris,
> This is all very interesting hypothesis generation. Let me ask you a
> couple of scientific questions.
> 
> Have you one shred of evidence for the movement of anything at the neuron
> level that corresponds to meaning? Can you point to one electron
> microscope image that correlates with anything seen on an
> electroencephalogram and correlates with the person claiming just at that
> instant to have achieved a new meaning? And what has been done to rule out
> any competing hypotheses - a la Popper?
> 

In my IDM material I identify (a) a universal set of generic qualities, 
categories, derived from the level of the neurology 
(http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/idm001.html

Abstracts, references, further reading can be found in pages linked to the 
bottom of the above page.

I then (b) use FOUR specialist perspectives of the one set of universals 
'shinning through' those perspectives:

(1) The personality categories derived in the MBTI 
(http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/mbtiplus.html

(2) The categories of basic human emotions 
(http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/emote.html)

(3) The categories of number types we use in Mathematics 
(http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/NeuroMaths3.htm)

(4) The categories derived in the Chinese Yi Jing (Book of Changes - extensive 
coverage, see such pages as 
http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/icstruct.html )


There is also links here to (a) ANY specialisation that uses Mathematics as its 
form of representation, and (b) such concepts as Chinese Five-Phase Theory and 
(c) basic categories used in Western SocioEconomic thinking.

As such, the material maps a GENERAL set of qualities used in a hierarchy from 
neurological, cognitive, emotional, symbolic, and so labelling, levels.

Meaning is at the core level of FEELINGS where those are derived internally for 
ALL of us as species-members and so work as universals - LOCAL context will 
then add 'colour' and so local dynamics.

> This discussion about the emergence of meaning can take one of two paths.
> You have chosen what I'ld call the psychologistic and medical science one.
> What happens to 'symbolic interaction'? - ie, the notion that meaning
> emerges from interaction and negotiation and is therefore always in a
> state of flux - no matter whose neurons are engaged?
> 

The bedrock is in the basic categories derived from the neurology as it 
integrates sensory data. FROM there we move into concepts, symbols, metaphors, 
and so the realm of topsoil - expression ;-)


The overall dynamics are patterns of differentiating/integrating where 
QUALITIES derived from that level give all of us a sense of 'wholeness', 
'partness' etc etc and all at an unconscious level. To COMMUNICATE we then use 
labels to link these universals with the particulars of local sensations. 
Simple ;-)

For the dynamic of networks as regular (universals, all is linked together, 
genetics), random (reality into which we are born is, for genes, unknown), 
small world networks - see my comments in the listed I Ching link.

Chris.

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