Although I am in Pauline's camp, it is fair enough to say that religion falls outside the boundaries of this group, if that is the majority view. However, it is inappropriate to slander it as "mythology", as Michael Lewis has done. That is not treating her with courtesy and respect. Parenthetically, as Pauline says, the irony is that what he maligns as "mythology" is actually the truth. --- On Fri, 29/4/11, Christine Kent <cmkentau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Christine Kent <cmkentau@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: atw: OT Religious discussion To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: Friday, 29 April, 2011, 5:11 PM Pauline, it is fine to raise the issue of logic because, in our work, we deal with it on a daily basis, and irrationality is the bane of our lives. However, religion has NEVER in all the years I have been associated with this group, raised its head. Please observe the culture of the group, and resist the temptation that all true “believers” feel to evangelise. Christine From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pauline Khoo Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011 2:46 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: How to Have a Rational Discussion Very soon now, within your lifetime, you will realise what is mythology and what is not... On 29 April 2011 14:42, Michael Lewis <michael.lewis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Intellectual or financial? What about social pursuits - like making a difference? But this is getting well away from technical communication, where mythology has (one hopes) no place. - Michael Lewis On 29 April 2011 14:32, Pauline Khoo <pauline.sydney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: God doesn't mind that you discount him. It is you who is losing out on his benefits. It is true that our culture is extremely focused on intellectual pursuits. The other alternative is financial pursuits. However, these are all very effective distractions ... they keep you really occupied, some say on less important things. But not THE most important thing. Your mind is a gift. That you have been given a rational mind is a gift. Not everybody is gifted the same way. In addition, we seem to be over-valueing our strengths, and under-valueing our weaknesses. They are both equally important. That there are contradictions in the world means that we have to navigate a life that is full of contradictions. Hard truths lead to hard heartedness and myopic viewpoints. They don't lend themselves to the development of wisdom. As an example, the Bible is full of contradictions so that we as a humanity may learn to live with apparent contradictions. Too much of hard truths lead to conflicts (even within the church). That is why we need a leadership of the one and only God, without which we also are a lost humanity. The argument of a God suggests a greater wisdom in the creator of wisdom. Intelligence is not wrong. Wisdom is a creation of God. He laid the earth's foundations with wisdom. In order to have freedom of choice, we must learn to deal with contradictions and opposing viewpoints. I value freedom of choice because it is a gift of God. But choice leads to consequences. If you choose this, then the consequences are these. If you choose that, then the consequences are that. Therefore choose wisely ... choose freedom ... choose life ... choose blessings ... choose wisdom ... Cheers, Pauline Khoo