atw: Re: OT: Astrophysical flim-flammery

Naah...       light goes in, and only strings are known to 
come out...       Or would, if they could travel faster 
than light. 

 
 EVERYONE knows that.  

Sounds like most meetings I've ever been to.


--Peter M


Steve Hudson:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:44:41 +1000,  you wrote:
> I sure am. Stephen (what a great name eh?) Hawking
> explained it all a number of years ago.
>
> Technically speaking, black holes are fuzzy but they
> have no hair. That is, they emit no hard radiation (eg
> light), but they do cause particles to be emitted.
> Hard space is not nothing. Particles and anti-
> particles spontaneously form and then re-annihilate
> themselves in their joyous re-union a picosecond or
> two later. It is possible that this spontaneous
> particle formation can occur right on the event
> horizon. When this occurs, one particle is sucked
> beyond the Schwarzschild limit whilst the other
> particle no longer has its anti-particle to destroy
> it, and sails off above the event horizon.
>
> Now, if that aint YOUR black hole, you are making
> obscure and obscene jokes in Russian :-)
>
> Interestingly enough one of the big research questions
> of the moment is attempting to calculate the amount of
> energy contained in hard space - a side-effect of
> which is this particle formation. The 'fabric' of
> space time has a massive energy potential, and as
> E=mc^2 then this helps account for 'dark matter'
> attractive pull to counter the expansion of hard space.
>
> At the moment though, it appears the expansion of the
> universe is accelerating, leading to a potential cold
> entropy death a lot sooner than previously. So even if
> we achieve telomere replacement therapies, you're
> still screwed :-) However, it is also been shown that
> there is spontaneous permanent matter formation in
> deep space - ye olde hydrogen. So it is all a bit
> screwy to say the least. As space time is modulated by
> mass, it appears mass is created on demand in satisfy
> the, extremely flat mind, curvature of space.
>
> All very intriguing eh? :-)
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter G Martin
>
>
> Steve :
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:47:52 +1000,  you wrote:
>
>> Additionally, a black hole conserves a 1:1
>> information ratio dependant upon the surface area of
>> the event horizon, so it is spurious. Stuff falls
>> in, the hole gets bigger. It doesn't 'disappear'
>> from the universe as you suggest. Additionally,
>> because black holes are fuzzy, it is possible for
>> stuff to 'come out'.
>>
>
> You'll let me know, the next time you see light
> emerging from a black hole?
>
> I think you're talking about grey holes... :-)
>
> You're certainly not talking about MY sort of black
> holes.
>
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