atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)

Oh bugger off.

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Subject: atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)

Oh Christine, you really are struggling with the whole concept, aren't you?!
Maybe you should stick with your quill and scroles, deary.
 
You're absolutely tripping if you think FB isn't about communication. Have
you actually spent any time with the application? ...because it sounds to me
that you haven't.
 
Like Charles, I also use FB as a means of communication with my OS firends
in much the same way I use email.
 
Admittedly, FB is a pretty crappy and limited tool, but it still serves its
intended purpose and that is to help connect ppl and facilitae communication
between you and your contacts.
 
There is much more to FB than a person's "I-centerd" profile.
 
B0G4N> From: christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:
austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very
long and philosophical)> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:11:49 +1000> > Ning is
the grown-up facebook - if that is not a contradiction in terms.> > I told
you I was struggling with the language to communicate the concepts.> So
please understand that I am not broadcasting at you from a point of>
certainty, but attempting to collaborate in a discussion to bring light on
a> relatively unformulated feeling that I am (and incidentally many
grown-ups> on Ning are) grappling with.> > For a start, I think we differ on
the meaning of the words "communication"> and "structure".> > Communication
to me has to involve some kind of heart space, some kind of> loaded meaning
in every word and/or some kind of change of state as a result> of the
communication. I think you are using it to mean telling people about> you,
and listening to stories others are telling about themselves
 . For you> it is an exchange of stories, for me it results in a changed
state of being.> > Structure to me is more than boxes. If I have a box of
post-it notes, and a> box of illustrations - that is a degree of structure -
everything is in> boxes. But there is no relationship between each of the
items in each box,> and no relationship between the boxes. So perhaps I am
really talking about> relationships.> > I think your comment, "pages... are
constructed by a user specifically to> reflect that user's interests and>
network connections" does support my point about I-centred communication ->
everyone is telling their own story of "I".> > Your comment, "we must be
aware though of the distinction between the> capability of the application
and its presumed limitations (being subjective> to each user's imagination)"
may or may not be true. If you look at> LearningTown
(http://learningtown.ning.com/) and ContentWrangler>
(http://thecontentwrangler.ning.com/ ), you will see really 
 good topics> dying without reaching any outcome or conclusion - they run
out of energy> and do not bring about any changed state. I am part of
several other groups> on Ning, trying to make it do what we want it to do -
so far without much> joy.> > I would hate to see these mailing lists all get
gobbled up into Ning,> because they can do what Ning can't.> > Christine> >
> -----Original Message-----> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Lidgard>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 12:15 PM> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)> > In
response to Christine Kent's recent comments on Facebook.> > > "The first
key difference with the networking sites such as Face Book and> Ning, is
that there is little attempt at structure - they are random pages> of
information with lateral links to unrelated pages of information ->
veryfrustrating for a brain trained to 
 think logically and sequentially."> > > > I am not sure I understand your
point here. I'm not familiar with Ning at> all but use Facebook regularly -
what is it about Facebook's structure that> is not logical? Part of
Facebook's appeal is that each page is structured in> a similar way - which
was a departure at the time from MySpace, which> allowed for direct editing
of the HTML/CSS. The pages of information> (presume you mean third party
apps and the standard information shown on> each profile page) are anything
but random when you consider they are> constructed by a user specifically to
reflect that user's interests and> network connections. The links are
related therefore to that user's> interests. > > > > "They cater to two
activities only, passive observation, and I-centred> self-expression. They
have nothing whatever to do with communication."> > > > I totally disagree.
It is my opinion that Facebook is a useful networking> tool and an
innovative centralised means of k
 eeping in contact and> communicating with friends/acquaintances. For
example, I use Facebook as the> sole means of communication with several
friends overseas. How you use> Facebook is up to you - we must be aware
though of the distinction between> the capability of the application and its
presumed limitations (being> subjective to each user's imagination).> > > >
> > -----Original Message-----> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 10:19 AM> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)> > > >
I have no answers to any of this because I think the situation is much> >
broader than just the use of letters in words. It is about the> >
communication process overall. I am writing a course on email that includes>
> a heading "Collaboration" and mentions FaceBook - in other words, the> >
designer has no idea what either is
  about. And nor did I till I started> > exploration.> > > > I found there
are two classes of Web 2.0 site out there that get mixed -> > collaboration
sites and networking sites, with some crossover between the> > two. > > > >
The first key difference with the networking sites such as Face Book and> >
Ning, is that there is little attempt at structure - they are random pages>
> of information with lateral links to unrelated pages of information -
very> > frustrating for a brain trained to think logically and sequentially.
They> > cater to two activities only, passive observation, and I-centred> >
self-expression. They have nothing whatever to do with communication.> >
There is no responsibility on the part of the writer to write in a way that>
> is heard, and no responsibility on the part of the reader to provide> >
feedback or in any way react to what they have read. So the purpose for> >
writing has changed from communication to self-expression.> > > > There is a
concept of
  inviting someone to be your friend, and the idea seems> > to be to collect
as many "friends" as possible. This means that the meaning> > of the word
friend has changed to mean acquaintance. That is just one> > example of the
conceptual substance of a word changing as a result of the> > new
technology.> > > > Another word that confused me was "collaboration". I
thought it meant people> > interacting in a way that changes what each does
as a result of input from> > others. When it is used in the networking
space, it doesn't. A Wiki is> > apparently collaborative. In other words, if
lots of individuals add lots> > of individual entries into a common space,
that is collaboration. Maybe my> > meaning was wrong - or maybe the meaning
has changed. Again, it has lost> > the element of communication. It has
become a collection of I-centred> > self-expression.> > > > However, when
you look at collaborative sites such as Google Docs, Office> > Live and
Windows Live, collaboration does
  still mean collaboration the way I> > define it. It is still about sharing
documents and doing whatever you do> > with them together. These are
currently designed for grown-ups. > > > > I speculate that as the current
"texting" generation progresses through> > life, they will take their new
meanings for old words with them. They will> > also take their
"communication" processes with them - which means that the> > whole process
of communication as we understand it - the inter-relationship> > of two or
more people that changes each - will be a lost concept. They will> > also be
masters of lateral non-sequential thought, and the logical> > analytical
process that is necessary for structuring information will be the> >
preserve of the few.> > > > My own analysis is all over the place at
present, because this whole field> > of exploration is new to me and I am
"un-learned" - ie, I don't have the> > language I need to make it make sense
- a great example of the importance of> > s
 ophisticated language in the process of gaining and communicating> >
intellectual clarity.> > > > Christine> > > >
...................................> > > > Hi Everyone!> > > > > > Great
Mate vs Gr8 M8> > > > > > > > What is the difference between the two and why
should one set of symbols> > render the other as useless when in fact they
are still the same in> > pronunciation and meaning and in fact nothing has
really changed or has> > it? Has the meaning been diminished in any way?
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