atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)

Oh Christine, you really are struggling with the whole concept, aren't you?! 
Maybe you should stick with your quill and scroles, deary.
 
You're absolutely tripping if you think FB isn't about communication. Have you 
actually spent any time with the application? ...because it sounds to me that 
you haven't.
 
Like Charles, I also use FB as a means of communication with my OS firends in 
much the same way I use email.
 
Admittedly, FB is a pretty crappy and limited tool, but it still serves its 
intended purpose and that is to help connect ppl and facilitae communication 
between you and your contacts.
 
There is much more to FB than a person's "I-centerd" profile.
 
B0G4N> From: christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Subject: atw: Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)> Date: 
Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:11:49 +1000> > Ning is the grown-up facebook - if that is 
not a contradiction in terms.> > I told you I was struggling with the language 
to communicate the concepts.> So please understand that I am not broadcasting 
at you from a point of> certainty, but attempting to collaborate in a 
discussion to bring light on a> relatively unformulated feeling that I am (and 
incidentally many grown-ups> on Ning are) grappling with.> > For a start, I 
think we differ on the meaning of the words "communication"> and "structure".> 
> Communication to me has to involve some kind of heart space, some kind of> 
loaded meaning in every word and/or some kind of change of state as a result> 
of the communication. I think you are using it to mean telling people about> 
you, and listening to stories others are telling about themselves. For you> it 
is an exchange of stories, for me it results in a changed state of being.> > 
Structure to me is more than boxes. If I have a box of post-it notes, and a> 
box of illustrations - that is a degree of structure - everything is in> boxes. 
But there is no relationship between each of the items in each box,> and no 
relationship between the boxes. So perhaps I am really talking about> 
relationships.> > I think your comment, "pages... are constructed by a user 
specifically to> reflect that user's interests and> network connections" does 
support my point about I-centred communication -> everyone is telling their own 
story of "I".> > Your comment, "we must be aware though of the distinction 
between the> capability of the application and its presumed limitations (being 
subjective> to each user's imagination)" may or may not be true. If you look 
at> LearningTown (http://learningtown.ning.com/) and ContentWrangler> 
(http://thecontentwrangler.ning.com/ ), you will see really good topics> dying 
without reaching any outcome or conclusion - they run out of energy> and do not 
bring about any changed state. I am part of several other groups> on Ning, 
trying to make it do what we want it to do - so far without much> joy.> > I 
would hate to see these mailing lists all get gobbled up into Ning,> because 
they can do what Ning can't.> > Christine> > > -----Original Message-----> 
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Lidgard> Sent: 
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 12:15 PM> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: atw: 
Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)> > In response to 
Christine Kent's recent comments on Facebook.> > > "The first key difference 
with the networking sites such as Face Book and> Ning, is that there is little 
attempt at structure - they are random pages> of information with lateral links 
to unrelated pages of information -> veryfrustrating for a brain trained to 
think logically and sequentially."> > > > I am not sure I understand your point 
here. I'm not familiar with Ning at> all but use Facebook regularly - what is 
it about Facebook's structure that> is not logical? Part of Facebook's appeal 
is that each page is structured in> a similar way - which was a departure at 
the time from MySpace, which> allowed for direct editing of the HTML/CSS. The 
pages of information> (presume you mean third party apps and the standard 
information shown on> each profile page) are anything but random when you 
consider they are> constructed by a user specifically to reflect that user's 
interests and> network connections. The links are related therefore to that 
user's> interests. > > > > "They cater to two activities only, passive 
observation, and I-centred> self-expression. They have nothing whatever to do 
with communication."> > > > I totally disagree. It is my opinion that Facebook 
is a useful networking> tool and an innovative centralised means of keeping in 
contact and> communicating with friends/acquaintances. For example, I use 
Facebook as the> sole means of communication with several friends overseas. How 
you use> Facebook is up to you - we must be aware though of the distinction 
between> the capability of the application and its presumed limitations (being> 
subjective to each user's imagination).> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> 
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent> Sent: 
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 10:19 AM> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: atw: 
Re: Great Mate vs Gr8 M8 (very long and philosophical)> > > > I have no answers 
to any of this because I think the situation is much> > broader than just the 
use of letters in words. It is about the> > communication process overall. I am 
writing a course on email that includes> > a heading "Collaboration" and 
mentions FaceBook - in other words, the> > designer has no idea what either is 
about. And nor did I till I started> > exploration.> > > > I found there are 
two classes of Web 2.0 site out there that get mixed -> > collaboration sites 
and networking sites, with some crossover between the> > two. > > > > The first 
key difference with the networking sites such as Face Book and> > Ning, is that 
there is little attempt at structure - they are random pages> > of information 
with lateral links to unrelated pages of information - very> > frustrating for 
a brain trained to think logically and sequentially. They> > cater to two 
activities only, passive observation, and I-centred> > self-expression. They 
have nothing whatever to do with communication.> > There is no responsibility 
on the part of the writer to write in a way that> > is heard, and no 
responsibility on the part of the reader to provide> > feedback or in any way 
react to what they have read. So the purpose for> > writing has changed from 
communication to self-expression.> > > > There is a concept of inviting someone 
to be your friend, and the idea seems> > to be to collect as many "friends" as 
possible. This means that the meaning> > of the word friend has changed to mean 
acquaintance. That is just one> > example of the conceptual substance of a word 
changing as a result of the> > new technology.> > > > Another word that 
confused me was "collaboration". I thought it meant people> > interacting in a 
way that changes what each does as a result of input from> > others. When it is 
used in the networking space, it doesn't. A Wiki is> > apparently 
collaborative. In other words, if lots of individuals add lots> > of individual 
entries into a common space, that is collaboration. Maybe my> > meaning was 
wrong - or maybe the meaning has changed. Again, it has lost> > the element of 
communication. It has become a collection of I-centred> > self-expression.> > > 
> However, when you look at collaborative sites such as Google Docs, Office> > 
Live and Windows Live, collaboration does still mean collaboration the way I> > 
define it. It is still about sharing documents and doing whatever you do> > 
with them together. These are currently designed for grown-ups. > > > > I 
speculate that as the current "texting" generation progresses through> > life, 
they will take their new meanings for old words with them. They will> > also 
take their "communication" processes with them - which means that the> > whole 
process of communication as we understand it - the inter-relationship> > of two 
or more people that changes each - will be a lost concept. They will> > also be 
masters of lateral non-sequential thought, and the logical> > analytical 
process that is necessary for structuring information will be the> > preserve 
of the few.> > > > My own analysis is all over the place at present, because 
this whole field> > of exploration is new to me and I am "un-learned" - ie, I 
don't have the> > language I need to make it make sense - a great example of 
the importance of> > sophisticated language in the process of gaining and 
communicating> > intellectual clarity.> > > > Christine> > > > 
...................................> > > > Hi Everyone!> > > > > > Great Mate 
vs Gr8 M8> > > > > > > > What is the difference between the two and why should 
one set of symbols> > render the other as useless when in fact they are still 
the same in> > pronunciation and meaning and in fact nothing has really changed 
or has> > it? Has the meaning been diminished in any way? ..............> > > > 
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