atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish contribution)

Sorry if I appeared to be knocking - maybe that is the in word for anyone who doesn't agree with you. 
I am entitled to an opinion and if it is different to some - so be it.
I have no time at the moment and I think that after some 15 years of belonging to one society or another and volunteering time and energy to promote the technical communication profession I am all out of puff. Thanks for the answer Michael - I can now see why editors accreditation may work and be 'easier' to set-up.
This statement appears to be 'knocking' my ability not my opinion and I take great exception to it. 

If you are too busy and too important to contribute to it, why don't you
volunteer to review the first draft.  Or perhaps you have too many vested
interests that would not be served by the average "untrained" TW becoming
proud of their profession?

Jill Nicholson
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Kent" <c.bkent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish contribution) 



So join in Jill instead of knocking.

Your attitude is exactly why we are so ineffectual.  I am totally behind
Michelle on this one.  ANYTHING - absolutely ANYTHING that educates
recruiters is better than the industry as it is now!

>
ck

-----Original Message-----
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 5:10 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish
contribution)
Michelle you are taking on a lot - who will validate your document and what 
say certain people don't believe in it? How is everyone going to agree on
what we are worth??
Jill
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hallett, Michelle" <Michelle.Hallett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish
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I just want to create a document we can put in front of agencies and
employers which:

1. tells them what we do
2. explains how to assess our capabilities and our competence
3. explain how much we think our skills are worth and why

For the rest of it, you can argue about accreditation and grades and
guilds till the cows come home (or the sheep are kidnapped by aliens).

Michelle Hallett
IT Trainer/Support Analyst
Leighton Contractors P/L
Tel: 02 8668 6047
Fax: 02 8668 6666
Mob: 0434 183 541
Email: michelle.hallett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 2:23 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another
longish contribution)

Guys - you going to get bogged down again through lack of clear
thinking.

First - there are TWO issues on the agenda which should be kept quite
distinct and separate.

1 Document and communicate the "what is".  This is the easy bit.
It
should bring quick reward, and be an essential starting point to looking
into accreditation anyway.
2 Set up a system of accreditation

Second - you will do nothing if you start to get bogged down in who
should
run this.

As far as who is involved is concerned - let volunteers get on with it.
Michelle seems keen, so please let her get on with it. Or two people,
Michelle could run the document what is stage, and Warren could run the
accreditation stage.   If some of those who volunteer are also involved
with
one, two or a zillion associations, let them volunteer like everyone
else,
and add value where they can.  Who wants to set an agenda, book a room,
organise a hook-up of some kind, book the date and invite everyone else?
Then do it.  That's it.  Not complicated.

ck.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Ashley
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 2:07 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another
longish
contribution)

I'm not knocking either society Michael. I have been on three previous
committees with the ASTC(Vic) (although the last one didn't last very
long)
so I'm familiar with a lot that goes on in the background.
All I was saying is that accreditation should be ASTC led.
But having said that, I haven't seen the code of ethics either. :)

Cheers,
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 1:24 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another
longish
contribution)

Bruce Ashley:


As our 'representative' bodies, both ASTCs should not only be

involved,
but

should be driving this (they have tinkered with it many times in the

past).

In theory, the TW community appoints the committee members of both

societies

to act on their behalf so why (in theory) would we need to go outside

the

societies?


Perhaps it's worth remembering that -- in NSW, at least -- the ASTC was
successful in getting a Code of Ethics defined and agreed. Whether it
has
made
any perceptible difference to the lives of technical communicators is
something I can't begin to guess. But it was a fairly tough problem that
many
thought was not solvable.


Michael Lewis

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Brandle Pty Limited, Sydney, Australia
www.brandle.com.au
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