I just want to create a document we can put in front of agencies and employers which: 1. tells them what we do 2. explains how to assess our capabilities and our competence 3. explain how much we think our skills are worth and why For the rest of it, you can argue about accreditation and grades and guilds till the cows come home (or the sheep are kidnapped by aliens). Michelle Hallett IT Trainer/Support Analyst Leighton Contractors P/L Tel: 02 8668 6047 Fax: 02 8668 6666 Mob: 0434 183 541 Email: michelle.hallett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 2:23 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish contribution) Guys - you going to get bogged down again through lack of clear thinking. First - there are TWO issues on the agenda which should be kept quite distinct and separate. 1 Document and communicate the "what is". This is the easy bit. It should bring quick reward, and be an essential starting point to looking into accreditation anyway. 2 Set up a system of accreditation Second - you will do nothing if you start to get bogged down in who should run this. As far as who is involved is concerned - let volunteers get on with it. Michelle seems keen, so please let her get on with it. Or two people, Michelle could run the document what is stage, and Warren could run the accreditation stage. If some of those who volunteer are also involved with one, two or a zillion associations, let them volunteer like everyone else, and add value where they can. Who wants to set an agenda, book a room, organise a hook-up of some kind, book the date and invite everyone else? Then do it. That's it. Not complicated. ck. -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Ashley Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 2:07 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish contribution) I'm not knocking either society Michael. I have been on three previous committees with the ASTC(Vic) (although the last one didn't last very long) so I'm familiar with a lot that goes on in the background. All I was saying is that accreditation should be ASTC led. But having said that, I haven't seen the code of ethics either. :) Cheers, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Lewis Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 1:24 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Agencies, contractors and other gripes (another longish contribution) Bruce Ashley: > As our 'representative' bodies, both ASTCs should not only be involved, but > should be driving this (they have tinkered with it many times in the past). > In theory, the TW community appoints the committee members of both societies > to act on their behalf so why (in theory) would we need to go outside the > societies? Perhaps it's worth remembering that -- in NSW, at least -- the ASTC was successful in getting a Code of Ethics defined and agreed. Whether it has made any perceptible difference to the lives of technical communicators is something I can't begin to guess. But it was a fairly tough problem that many thought was not solvable. Michael Lewis -------------------------------------- Brandle Pty Limited, Sydney, Australia www.brandle.com.au -------------------------------------- ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. 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