[atlantaprog] Re: different standards

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian King" <lordonly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:30 AM
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: different standards


> From: "john" <7strbass@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > well, there's two elements at work here, imo.  one is pretty
> > objective -  digital distorition sounds like crap.  there's no denying
> > it.  if it's not obvious with a cursory listen - which it probably should
> > be on all but the most low-end stereos- a cursory examination of the
> > waveforms on the cd reveals that this cd is _loaded_ with digital
> > overs.  these aren't being used as an element of artistic expression,
> > they are just plain mistakes in the recording process, or the mixing
> > process, or the mastering process, or any combination of the three -
> > probably every step of the way, imo.
> >
> > then there's the subjective element - the song quality, the performances,
> > etc.  i agree that vapor trails is an awesome effort on this point, but
> the
> > objective examination of the recording quality and the evidence of my
> > own ears leaves me not able to really enjoy the recording on anything but
> > a car system, and even there i cringe sometimes when i'm listening to it.
> 
> The mix is partially objective but also partially subjective-- do you like
> how loud the bass is compared to the bass drum, do you like the panning, eq,
> reverb choices, etc.  I'd agree with Veronica in preferring the grittier,
> warmer sound of albums like Counterparts or even Vapor Trails, rather than
> Hold Your Fire or Presto.  But that darn over-compressed saturated element
> overcomes what could otherwise be a pleasant mix for me.  If they'd
> engineered this album just like Counterparts I'd love it.
> 
> >
> > it's a shame, ultimately, that a band that utilized dynamics to such great
> > effect throughout its career would settle, or allow, for such a terrible
> > representation of their art to become available.  i can't help but blame
> > the band itself for it - they are at a stage in their career when they
> should
> > not be trying to "outgun" the young guns, but rather render their art with
> > the same integrity and sincerity that has been their hallmark since the
> > beginning of their career.   there's no reason to make this cd this loud
> > except for some misplaced attempt to compete with what's currently
> > popular and trendy.  i'm disappointed in them as a band for probably
> > the first time since i started liking them, when permanent waves came
> > out.
> 
> I'd add that their 80's haircuts (Geddy's schnoz-accentuating mullet and
> Neil's ludicrous rat-tail) were pretty disappointing as well!  And those
> satin bathrobes they're sporting on 2112-- well, let's not go there...
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
>

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