[atlantaprog] Re: atlantaprog Digest V1 #170

For projects with limited saleability, like our Naked Elf record, there
was no justification in paying for replication.

A year or two ago I would have cautioned about CD-Rs having some issues
with certain car stereos and boom boxes.  But these days, those are
truly edge cases.  Most everyone will have an easy means of playing a
CD-R, and most won't ever even know.


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atlantaprog Digest      Tue, 05 Oct 2004        Volume: 01  Issue: 170

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                [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication
                [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication
                [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication

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From: "Wade S" <cobwebstrange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:32:33 +0000

>...have any of you out there found a good CD-duplicating
>service (inexpensive, service-oriented, does a good job with the
artwork as
>well as the CD, etc.)?

I may be too late with a reply to this thread, but here's my input on
the CD 
issue:

First, I've only had a few CDs DUPLICATED (which is the process of
'copying' 
a disc using blank CDRs, like you would make on your computer).  Most of
my 
projects have been REPLICATIONS (bulk pressing of a disc on an automated

production line), so this information is really more about CD
REPLICATION 
and not so much about DUPLICATION.  However, most of these manufacturers

also offer DUPLICATION.  I'm going to assume that you're looking for 
REPLICATION.  If you really are looking for DUPLICATION, let me know and
I 
can give you more information about that.

For REPLICATION, I've used Icon Omnimedia
(http://www.iconomnimedia.com/) 
for three of the CDs that I've had pressed this year and I used Media
Omaha 
(http://www.mediaomaha.com/) for three others.  After looking at about
50 
different manufacturing plants, these two were the least expensive (some

packages were cheaper with Icon Omnimedia, some were cheaper at Media 
Omaha).

I used Oasis (http://www.oasiscd.com) for a CD in 1998 and they were the

best company that I've used for any of the CDs that I've had pressed.
They 
offer a LOT of extras with their pressing packages (they'll put you on a

compilation CD that gets sent out to radio stations, get you set up with

distribution directly through Amazon.com, Waldenbooks.com,
VirginMega.com,  
Borders.com & CD Baby, etc.) but they cost a good bit more.  If you have
the 
money, I'd definitely recommend them, but there are a lot of other
places 
that are a lot cheaper for just the basic pressing.

I've also used On4 recently (http://www.on4prod.com) for two CDs.  They
are 
local, so if you want to support local business, they're really super
nice 
guys.  The disadvantage to pressing your CDs locally is that you have to
pay 
more tax a lot of the time, so that adds to your final cost.  The
advantage 
to working with someone like On4 is that you can just go down to their 
offices if there is a problem (which there often are with manufacturing
you 
CDs.)

I've never used CD Man (http://www.cdman.com), but I have had quotes
from 
them and they were more expensive than most other manufacturers for what
I 
needed.  Most of the other CD manufacturers that I've used have since
gone 
out of business.

WHEN YOU GET A QUOTE:
When you get a quote, be sure that it includes everything!!!  A lot of
these 
guys are sneaky and they'll give you a quote that sounds awesome then
you 
find out that it doesn't include shipping, shrink-wrap, tax, glass 
mastering, or some other standard (or randomly made-up) service.  I've
found 
that the best way to get a true quote is to tell them, "How much would I

make the check out for?"  You'd be amazed at how that number is often
very 
different from their allegedly "All inclusive" quote!

Here are some rough ideas on prices from a few of the places that I've
used. 
  These prices are all for 1000 CDs, 4/4 printing, and don't include 
artwork, but there are still some differences in what is offered in the 
different packages, so the quotes don't really reflect the exact same 
packages.

http://www.iconomnimedia.com/
1000  $1.13  $1,130

http://www.on4prod.com
1000  $1.32  $1,320

http://www.oasiscd.com
1,000 $1.46  $1,465

I hope this helps!
-Wade

In case any of you feel like surfing the net, here are some of my
current 
projects...
-------------------------------------
www.cobwebstrange.com
www.electricpoem.com
www.mcflyband.com
www.afrodisiacband.com
www.mantlepiece.org
www.roguemusicfest.com
www.genterinerecords.com

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From: "Ken MacLeish" <kmacleish@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:29:41 -0400

Not only are you not too late, you are by far the most informative =
answer.
Thank you greatly.

And as to the issue of duplication vs. replication: Well, what about it?
Does it matter(cost issues aside, that is)? Are folks from whom you =
might
seek bookings or other desirable attention likely to notice and/or care
=
that
what they receive is a CD-R or a "real" CD?

Inquiring musicians want to know!

--Ken
(Goes off to surf happily through the various Web sites of the Busiest
Bassist In Atlanta)

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From: atlantaprog-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:atlantaprog-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wade S
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:33 PM
To: atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication

>...have any of you out there found a good CD-duplicating
>service (inexpensive, service-oriented, does a good job with the =
artwork as
>well as the CD, etc.)?

I may be too late with a reply to this thread, but here's my input on =
the CD

issue:

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From: Allen Welty-Green <agmedia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: CD duplication
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:54 -0400

> And as to the issue of duplication vs. replication: Well, what about 
> it?
> Does it matter(cost issues aside, that is)? Are folks from whom you 
> might
> seek bookings or other desirable attention likely to notice and/or 
> care that
> what they receive is a CD-R or a "real" CD?

There are CDR dupers out there whose product is almost 
indistinguishable from *real* CDs, so I as far as I'm concerned, it 
doesn't matter. Z-Axis is planning on releasing our upcoming CD on CDR 
(unless a label that we're talking with comes through - more about that 
later!) The reason? Unless you play a lot of gigs to a lot of CD buying 
audients, OR unless you have solid distribution channels set up, you're 
going to end up with boxes and boxes of unsold CDs stacked in your 
closet!

Check out http://www.diskfaktory.com/

AWG


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