[atlantaprog] Re: What composers were up to
- From: Jeff Blanks <jblanks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:15:31 -0500
Brian King wrote:
I wonder what would have
happened if some classical composer could have pushed into jazz voicings
back in 1800-- it'd be a different world.
A lot has to do with those chords' placing in the overall
architecture of a piece, as well. Mozart almost had a string quartet
rejected by his publisher because of the "outside", chromatic chords
in the introduction; to this day it's still called "the 'Dissonance'
Quartet". (It sounds pretty true to the time for the rest of it,
though.) And listen for a point in the last movement of his
Symphony #40 where a unison line goes through ten of the twelve
chromatic notes in just a few bars. Our ears tend to impose a chord
progression on the line, but that might've taken a while for
listeners back then to think to do.
Some of the stuff Franz Liszt wrote for solo piano toward the end of
his life was also pretty avant-garde for its time. There's even a
piece called "Bagatelle ohne Tonart" ("Bagatelle without Tonality").
It's not "atonal" in the Arnold Schoenberg sense, but it does a good
job of avoiding the feeling of a key center, generally by using lots
of augmented chords (especially at the beginning and end) and
parallel motion.
And OF COURSE there's the "*Tristan* chord", which is made up of F,
B, Eb, and Ab; this is, I believe, the first full chord in Richard
Wagner's *Tristan und Isolde*, from 1865, IIRC. Maybe not 1800, but,
well, it happened when it happened.
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- [atlantaprog] What composers were up to
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- [atlantaprog] Re: What composers were up to
- From: Brian King
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I wonder what would have happened if some classical composer could have pushed into jazz voicings back in 1800-- it'd be a different world.
- [atlantaprog] What composers were up to
- From: Chip Epsten
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- From: Brian King