[atlantaprog] Re: Give Me That Old Time Prog Rock
- From: "paul schumacher" <pms1030@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:21:21 +0000
I must disagree about Glass Hammer's "Inconsolable Secret."
I bought it on the strength of reviews, and the fact that I liked "Lex Rex" and "Perelandra."
"The Inconsolable" sucked. Glass Hammer's worst weakness--vocals--were worse than ever. The lead (male) singer was a bombastic criminal. His vocal tirades drowned out whatever good instrumentals there were. Even the female singers (usually the saving grace of GH's vocals) were infected, and stank.
I sold it instantly.
I wasn't inconsolable--I got some of my money back. But I do still regret the pain to my ears.
And I didn't want this to remain a secret.
Paul
From: BK Broyla <bkbroyla@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: Give Me That Old Time Prog Rock
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Yeah, there are obviously two definitions of 'progressive'-- moving forward, trying new things, etc.; or a certain musical style. As time moves on, the two inevitably come into conflict. I have heard so many arguments where someone is in one camp and they say 'this isn't progressive because [it's in the other camp]'. It would be simpler for someone to just declare which camp they're in, either sound or philosophy, from the beginning and leave it at that. It reminds me of the old Troopers vs. Generators clashes-- 'This isn't the true Yes because..."
Personally, I think all the albums Jeff mentioned deserve to be classics, but whether they will be remains to be seen.
Brian
Mark Stephens <musicoptimist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<New Prog - Flower Kings, Spocks Beard,
Glass Hammer, Anglagard -
artists who use the classic prog-rock vocabulary without bringing
anything really new to the mix,>
There is nothing totally "new" under the sun but in their own ways each of those bands occupy a unique sonic place that no other band can replace for me. Then again, they may seem like interchangable cogs in a big machine to you... That's OK too.
GLASS HAMMER continues to get better and better IMO. I highly recommend "The Inconsolable Secret" - their latest 2 CD concept album.
If we aren't careful, we - as a fan base - can impose a bit of an un-winnable proposition upon our favorite bands. If a band is too modern or *different* (especially with their *drum* sounds) then the aren't true "prog"... If a band remains true to the classic instrumentation of prog, then they aren't truly
"progressive" - even if they have excellent compositions and performances.
In the end, I appreciate talent, power, beauty, counterpoint, catchiness... The list goes on and on. No single band has it all - nor should they!
Mark Stephens
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I must disagree about Glass Hammer's "Inconsolable Secret."
I bought it on the strength of reviews, and the fact that I liked "Lex Rex" and "Perelandra."
"The Inconsolable" sucked. Glass Hammer's worst weakness--vocals--were worse than ever. The lead (male) singer was a bombastic criminal. His vocal tirades drowned out whatever good instrumentals there were. Even the female singers (usually the saving grace of GH's vocals) were infected, and stank.
I sold it instantly.
I wasn't inconsolable--I got some of my money back. But I do still regret the pain to my ears.
And I didn't want this to remain a secret.
Paul
From: BK Broyla <bkbroyla@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: atlantaprog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [atlantaprog] Re: Give Me That Old Time Prog Rock
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Yeah, there are obviously two definitions of 'progressive'-- moving forward, trying new things, etc.; or a certain musical style. As time moves on, the two inevitably come into conflict. I have heard so many arguments where someone is in one camp and they say 'this isn't progressive because [it's in the other camp]'. It would be simpler for someone to just declare which camp they're in, either sound or philosophy, from the beginning and leave it at that. It reminds me of the old Troopers vs. Generators clashes-- 'This isn't the true Yes because..."Glass Hammer, Anglagard -
Personally, I think all the albums Jeff mentioned deserve to be classics, but whether they will be remains to be seen.
Brian
Mark Stephens <musicoptimist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:<New Prog - Flower Kings, SpocksBeard,
artists who use the classic prog-rock vocabulary without bringing
anything really new to the mix,>There is nothing totally "new" under the sun but in their own ways each of those bands occupy a unique sonic place that no other band can replace for me. Then again, they may seem like interchangable cogs in a big machine to you... That's OK too.GLASS HAMMER continues to get better and better IMO. I highly recommend "The Inconsolable Secret" - their latest 2 CD concept album.If we aren't careful, we - as a fan base - can impose a bit of an un-winnable proposition upon our favorite bands. If a band is too modern or *different* (especially with their *drum* sounds) then the aren't true "prog"... If a band remains true to the classic instrumentation of prog, then they aren'ttruly "progressive" - even if they have excellent compositions and performances.In the end, I appreciate talent, power, beauty, counterpoint, catchiness... The list goes on and on. No single band has it all - nor should they!Mark Stephens
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