[askdba] Re: Need help with Interview Questions

  • From: Nisar Tareen <ntareen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: askdba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:40:13 -0800 (PST)

Irfan, 
 
Thanks for the clearification . 
 
Nisar Tareen 

Irfan Khan <irfan.khan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Nisar

Let me put things to rest here. Though i still stand to be corrected.

This was ur comment in my mail "do you think the parallelision of disk =
multiple extents is in DBA's hand."

Ganesh merely tried to get more explanation on your understanding.

And again, i believe, u need to know if it is 25extents x 4MB each or =
1extent of 100MB , the cost for FTS will still remain the same.

Unless the table grew 100MB and was emptied by delete statement, then =
yes we are making oracle work more though not required, Hence ur =
statement below is incorrect.

"I will stand on my ground that multiple extents (as I said extra =
ordinary) will affect the performance for full table scan, as the disk =
head had to reposition itself"

Also Compare the 2 statements below (read over and over again to get the =
gist of it)

Ganesh says:-
Extent has always been a Logical Grouping of Blocks and not a
Physicall Grouping.

You said :-
Plus, extents are Physical blocks not logical. eg. 1 block of 10 giga =
bytes or 10 blocks of 1 biga bytes.=20


All you are doing is twisting words and trying to prove someone else =
wrong.


Also my statement about benefit of multiple extent is not my own, Its in =
the book of renowned Writer "GAJA VAIDYANTHA" in Oracle Performance =
Tuning 101. U can verify my claim, I have already communicated the same =
to Ganesh.

Also my argument and what i tried to convey can be supported by this =
article and this statement therein :-

"If you have only one extent for SALES, you will not be able to =
effectively use the Parallel Query option (PQO) for queries against the =
table. In the PQO, multiple processes concurrently perform the work of a =
query. If the data queried by the multiple processes is all located on =
the same disk, using the PQO for queries of the data may create an I/O =
bottleneck on the disk!"

Regards
Irfan Khan

PS :- No hard feelings, but i dont doubt and neither i expect u to prove =
me that u hv handled multiple terabyte database.




-----Original Message-----
From: Nisar Tareen [mailto:ntareen@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:42 AM
To: askdba@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: dba Group
Subject: [askdba] Re: Need help with Interview Questions


Ganesh,=20

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I did not recall of mentioning Parallelism what I rote to Irfan, My =
answer was about multiple extents.=20

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Yes, I will stand on my ground that multiple extents (as I said extra =
ordinary) will affect the performance for full table scan, as the disk =
head had to reposition itself

To make extra hits (I/O) for read and write/update, and extra block =
addresses in SGA for the records read.

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My understanding my logic, Ganesh most of the time I write from the top =
of my mind, After doing this work for so long, I do not go through the =
technical manual, My idea is not to write technical manual for every =
email or query, Email should give the major guide line on the issue and =
each one of us the user should go the extra 9 yards according to our =
needs. =20

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Believe me I ran Tara byte database and I don't have to prove, I had =
done my proving, Few extents are better that many.=20

=20

I am not an academic and I am running a shop and the time I have I enjoy =
answering emails and some time for fun add my logic. But Oracle is in =
the business of proving yes I can be wrong then you just have to say, =
Nisar here you are wrong. I will and you can give the understanding on =
an issue, its okay with me.=20

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Plus, extents are Physical blocks not logical. eg. 1 block of 10 giga =
bytes or 10 blocks of 1 biga bytes.=20

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Have Fun.=20

=20
Nisar Tareen=20

Ganesh Raja wrote:
Nisar,

Did not Understand too much from your Post .. But How does all the
things that you have talked about affect the way parallelism works ..
Parallelism is CPU Bound and not disk bound ... U dictate if you want
to Use Parallelism and then The ur Query/DML is Split across multiple
processess that works out how to fetch data from the database and
processes it.

I am disagreeing here with irfhan also when he says that Multiple
extents will give u chances of better parallelism. U can write a small
testcase with a One Extent Table and See what happens .. U will still
get Parallel Reads.

The Only thing that has some effect on performance with Multiple
Extent is the MBRC value since an Multi Block read cannot be done over
multiple extents. [ U will never encounter this has a Problem]

Apart from that i will never say that if you have 1000 Extents ur
Query is Going to Perform badly and if you have 1 Extent it will
perform any better. I need a test case from u to prove that the
otherway.

Extent has always been a Logical Grouping of Blocks and not a
Physicall Grouping.

My $0.02 and not my logic ... :)

Rgds
Ganesh


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