Hi members of list, I had what I think was a neat idea, thought I'd share and see others might think. An issue with camera matrix profiles made with v1.0.4 was that the brightest patch got scaled to L=100, for reasons that make sense for a printer profile but not so much for a camera profile. The most obvious practical consequence of this behavior was that when applying the camera profile, the next step was to open the image in an editing program and use levels to decrease the overall Lightness of the image by the amount it would take to get GS00 on the target to go from L=100 to its nominal value of L=92. Without this levels correction, any points in the image brighter than the rescaled L=92 got clipped upon conversion to a working space. After rescaling with levels, the image could be converted to a working space without fear of clipping highlight values (that weren't already clipped in the raw file of course). V1.1.0 has the "scale" option, which seems ideal for eliminating the need to "rescale" every image to which the camera profile has been applied. However, I had an idea when working with v1.0.4. The idea was to add two artificial data sets to the ti3 file before using colprof. One data set was for perfect white, L=100,a=b=0 and one was for perfect black, L=0,a=b=0: GS0B 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000 0.0000 0.1 0.1 0.1 GS0W 96.420 100.000 82.491 100 100 100 0.5 0.5 0.5 (and of course change the number of data sets from 288 to "NUMBER_OF_SETS 290"). Using V1.1.0, I made three "single gamma + matrix" profiles: Profile A without scaling (no artificial data sets) Profile B with scaling (no artificial data sets) Profile C *without scaling* but with the artificial data sets added to the ti3 file. (All three profiles were made with the it8 chart raw file rendered using dcraw v8.9.8, with "-g 2.2 0". Profiles made with linear gamma had similar results.) As you can see from the results below, profile C has the lowest errors of the three profiles. A.No scaling, no artificial data sets: colprof -v -qu -aG -OA-g22-a110-aG.icc -D"A-g22-a110-aG" it8gam22 No of test patches = 288 Creating matrix and curves... 100% Find white & black points Fixup matrix for white point After white point adjust: Matrix = 0.912728 0.248761 0.108788 0.377771 1.139863 -0.200256 0.015473 -0.199177 1.210368 Done gamma/shaper and matrix creation Profile done profile check complete, peak err = 33.155823, avg err = 7.494565 B.Scaling with "-U", no artificial data sets colprof -v -y -qu -aG -U1.238 -OB-g22-a110-aG-U1238.icc -D"B-g22-a110-aG-U1238" it8gam22 No of test patches = 288 Creating matrix and curves... 100% Find white & black points Fixup matrix for white point After white point adjust: Matrix = 0.737260 0.200938 0.087874 0.305146 0.920730 -0.161757 0.012498 -0.160886 0.977680 Done gamma/shaper and matrix creation [2.235619] 0.883760 0.892150 0.907060 -> 92.031432 0.001043 0.000392 should be 92.038163 -0.693933 -2.124450 profile check complete, peak err = 22.911716, avg err = 3.616571 C.No scaling, with artificial perfect white and black data sets added to ti3 file: colprof -v -qu -aG -OC-g22-a110-aG-wb.icc -D"C-g22-a110-aG-wb" it8gam22-wb No of test patches = 290 Creating matrix and curves... 100% Find white & black points Fixup matrix for white point After white point adjust: Matrix = 0.688141 0.183249 0.092810 0.284660 0.864485 -0.149145 0.012961 -0.163480 0.975419 Done gamma/shaper and matrix creation Profile done profile check complete, peak err = 20.688133, avg err = 2.183257 As you can see from the "peak err" and "avg err" reports, adding the artificial data sets decreased errors. Also, what might not be so obvious, is that the profile made with the artificial data sets is color-balanced, meaning r=g=b=neutral gray. xicclu -g -fif shows the rgb lines are perfectly aligned. And images to which this profile is applied don't need rescaling (note that Yr+Yg+Yb=1), meaning L=100 (not L=nominal 92) is 255,255,255 upon conversion to a working space, with no clipping in the highlights (assuming no pixels were saturated in the raw file, of course). Meaning the profile itself is well-behaved and can be used for editing (though being a tad - understatement - larger than ProPhoto, proceeding with caution would be a good thing). Profiles made with v1.0.4 using artificial perfect white and black patches approach have marginally lower errors, but aren't color-balanced and well-behaved (close, but not quite). After using levels to adjust the lightness range, images made with all three V1.1.0 profiles are visually similar, perhaps even visually indistinguishable, one from the other. Can anyone see a problem with this "trick" of adding artificial perfect black and white data sets to the ti3 file before running colprof? Or maybe it's something people already do that I didn't know about? Thanks, Graeme, for v1.1.0! Elle Stone