[argyllcms] Re: Absolute colorimetric - dark saturated colours excessively light
- From: "Alastair M. Robinson" <blackfive@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:46:44 +0000
Hi,
Gerhard Fuernkranz wrote:
my understanding is, that Argyll clips to the nearest color on the gamut
hull. Are you absolutely sure that DeviceBlack is really closer? Have
you verified this computationally?
No, not yet. I have, however, verified that closer (subjective) visual
matches are possible. We needed to produce some paint charts at work,
so I sampled XYZ values of the swatches with the colourmouse, and
transformed to the printer profile using Absolute Colorimetric. Dark
saturated colours came out too light.
I tried knocking up a program to do the interpolation using the RSPL
engine and the RGB / XYZ data in the printer profile's TI3 file directly.
The results were noticeably better - still room for improvement, though
- I could probably get closer still if I put in the time to figure out
how to use clipping vectors.
If you look at profiles generated by other profiles
(e.g. ProfileMaker), you'll see that they behave similar as Argyll for
colorimetic intent. However, the ICC spec leaves open, _how_
out-of-gamut colors should be clipped, so this is implementation
dependent. For a pleasing reproduction with gamut compression, actually
perceptual intent is intended.
Thanks. I'll dig out a vendor profile for the printer and see how that
compares.
I do understand the difference between the colorimetric and perceptual
intents, and have to say that I'm very pleased with the photographic
results I'm getting using Argyll's perceptual mapping.
As I say, I'm just a bit surprised at which colours are being chosen to
replace the out-of-gamut colours, especially for the plain paper
example; I'm pretty certain there are darker, more suitable shades
available.
All the best,
--
Alastair M. Robinson
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(e.g. ProfileMaker), you'll see that they behave similar as Argyll for colorimetic intent. However, the ICC spec leaves open, _how_ out-of-gamut colors should be clipped, so this is implementation dependent. For a pleasing reproduction with gamut compression, actually perceptual intent is intended.
- [argyllcms] Absolute colorimetric - dark saturated colours excessively light
- From: Alastair M. Robinson
- [argyllcms] Re: Absolute colorimetric - dark saturated colours excessively light
- From: Gerhard Fuernkranz
- [argyllcms] Re: Absolute colorimetric - dark saturated colours excessively light
- From: Alastair M. Robinson
- [argyllcms] Re: Absolute colorimetric - dark saturated colours excessively light
- From: Gerhard Fuernkranz