[arachne] Re: [a4dos-list] Re: is this list still alive ????

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On  7 Feb 04 at 0:45, glennmcc@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>Please have another look and please make any comments or
>suggestions which might come to mind.

...

>
>> Thanks to SRC code sent to me by Howard Wulf..............
>
>> We will soon have news group capability in Arachne.
>> _____________________________________________________
>
>> Comments ?
>> Suggestions ?
>___________________________________________________________________

1. This is great! Arachne is moving forward. And in a direction that
is quite compliant to what Michael Pol=E1k intended, I think.

2. I do not know whether I will ever use this new feature. Why?
I do not even use Arachne's e-mail client, because I do not
appreciate graphical frontends for e-mail. So all the time I have
been using Arachne only for smtp and pop3 protocol. Now I am looking
forward to downloading newsgroups with Arachne.

3. The last thing, however makes a huge difference. Arachne is going
to be some kind of "online news reader", I suppose. And I understand
that the NNTP features provide us with the necessary technology to
implement even the POP3kill function - which I personally consider
as a higher priority, now (80% of messages in my inbox are spam).

4. Until now I have been using two NNTP clients:

a) Online reader: Trumpet

Trumpet is an online reader that can be started as a plugin
from Arachne. You can display headers and select those you like to
read and thus minimize downloading messages you are not interested
in. On the other hand trumpet is not capable to display threads
properly.

Unfortunately it is abandoned software, seems to be too much for
smaller computers and needs to do the group subscription management
with DOS batch files (the functions are implemented, but buggy).

Nevertheless the principle of online reading is quite desirable.
Although I did not test this, I can imagine that currently Google
usenet engine offers the best DOS "online reader".

b) offline reader: YAN

The best offline reader I found is YAN. You need to run another
client for download (eg. UKAPPP) that supports the required
file format. YAN offers an amazing support of keyboard and an optimal
organization of threads, folders, quoting. You cannot select
messages on the server, though - just an offline reader.

Well, I even tried to abuse Pegasus mail as an offline reader for
newsgroups. But no comfortable handling of threads either and
quite complicated batch files to convert formats - this really
does not make sense.

5. None of these two has conversion of 8bit characters in header
lines. This I would consider the main problem for readability, NOT
that they are not graphic. If Arachne wants to be superior to both of
them than she should

- implement online selecting of messages/threads

- display or at least mark threads

- support 8bit lines in headers (I suppose in the body of the
messages it will be no problem)

Glenn, is this the spur you meant?

Christof

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