[arachne] Re: User-friendliness or lack thereof in Arachne

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Hi Jason,
                      I am not saying and never did say
what is the "best operating system". I never even
suggested that there is a "best operating system."
What I did say is: "don't try to tell me that all the
programs that I have to run and maintain, and 
all the updates I have to take time to download,
and all the reboots I need to do, etc., etc., etc.,
are the same as puting air in my car tires. Maybe
for you it's common place because that's your
job.....that just proves my point.  But,  I put air
in my tires regularly, and I have personally
replaced my own car engines, every last 
bolt and nut, and believe me I know the
difference. And it sounds to me like you
can say thanks to W.G. for providing you
with a great demand for your services.
And, as far as your "friend" who thought
Linux was not that good for the average
home user.....I have heard and read that
opinion from many sources, so, your
"friend" is not alone in his opinion.
.
Eric

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:42:33 -0600 Jason Dodd <jasorn@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> 
> 
> 
> Eric S. Emerson wrote:
> 
> >Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> >
> >Jason,
> >                   I can see your idea of "a little care" is 
> >far different from mine. You just spent your time
> >describing all the things one needs to do to avoid
> >viruses, spyware, and trojans, etc. and then you
> >call it a little care.  
> >
> I suppose our definitions are different.  Well, the firewall should 
> be a 
> given for any OS you're hitting the net with.  And if you're running 
> 
> windows you just HAVE to run antivirus software.  Those aren't 
> equivalent to changing a car's engine.  They're equivalent to 
> keeping 
> air in the tires.  So the effort really is minimal.  And going back 
> to 
> 'most users', the complexity of doing the kinds of stuff 'most 
> users' 
> want to do today far outways the complexity of using protective 
> measures. 
> 
> I submit in 'most peoples' eyes trying to figure out why dos says 
> they're short on memory when they know good and well they bought a 
> machine with hundreds of megabytes of it, would be closer to 
> changing 
> the engine in their car than using protective measures for malware.
> 
> >You sound like the race car
> >driver who talks about changing his engine for
> >the race tomorrow and says its no big thing.
> >It's not for him, but the average car owner/driver
> >will never change an engine in a life time.  I have
> >friends who make their living using computers
> >and are engineers who design computerized 
> >controls, who don't use their home W$doze 
> >computer because they can't get some spyware
> >off it or don't have the time it takes to find the crap
> >and get rid of it.
> >  
> >
> I happen to be one of those who makes his living off computers.  I 
> know 
> people like you do who are 'professionals' but can't solve 
> relatively 
> minors windows problems on their home computer.  Doesn't mean 
> they're 
> experts or even good.  There are plenty of Drs who cut off the wrong 
> 
> foot.  Doesn't mean picking the correct foot is hard.  Reminds me of 
> one 
> guy I worked with who was a linux admin at work.  He overheard me 
> telling a coworker he should give linux a try.  This 'admin' said 
> linux 
> wasn't suitable as a desktop.  After a good amount of pressing for 
> reasons why he came up with you couldn't use a webcam on msn with 
> linux.  He didn't say much after I had an MSN webchat session going 
> in 
> about 5 minutes.
> 
> I still don't like windows much but somehow claiming it's harder for 
> the 
> average person to use than dos isn't such a valid argument. I'd buy 
> the 
> argument if we're comparing it to OS X but not dos.
> 
> Malware is a big windows problem... but for the same reason it's 
> devestating if you get a virus in dos.  That's because a regular 
> user of 
> the system has access to too much.  That's not all windows 
> fault(well, 
> not as of NT anyway).  Software developers seem to refuse  software 
> that 
> will let them run as normal users.  Rest assured that if another OS 
> approaches windows in market share, they'll be targets for viruses.  
> And 
> those 'most users' will succomb to them on whatever OS that is.  
> Hopefully, that OS will be one that isolates a regular use from the 
> important system files.
> 
> The bottom line is the best OS is the one you like best.  They all 
> have 
> their pros and cons.
> 
> >Eric
> >
> >On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:56:06 -0600 Jason Dodd <jasorn@xxxxxxxxx> 
> writes:
> >  
> >
> >>Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> >>snip <
> >>
> >>The point is while windows has many things we all don't like, a 
> >>little care can make a big difference.
> >>
> >>Jason Dodd wrote:

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