[arachne] Re: [SPAM] Re: Ray-i-fying the sources

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:05:54 +0000, Udo Kuhnt wrote:

Udo,

> Sorry Ray, but to me this is not an option. I am a team player, and I
> regard your development philosophy as detrimental to any team's effort.

Me too. The natural thing is to stay with the team, however, if the
whole team were to change at the same time then *not* using my sources
would be to go against the team. It's just a question of following
the herd or doing the right thing and leading the herd. With me,
Vladimir, MHT(gone) and Bernie prefering the clean sources, and you,
Glenn, Joe and Werner perfering the old, we are divided, and not just
me on one side. You'd think that if in doubt, the clean code would
win.

> Basically, you were not happy with the way Arachne was being developed,
> and that is why you chose to fork the code. Now, you come back and tell

I didn't start by forking the code, I started by just cleaning it up,
(identical .exe) but Glenn and Joe wouldn't use it so I had to do the
optimization by myself. Not by choice.

> us "hey, I am back, I would like to join the team again, but your code

I've never been gone. Glenn passes fixes of mine back to the group
all the time.

> is so primitive that it is only good for throwing away, and besides,

And that's the opinion of Michael Polak too. I only started this because
MP said that's what I should do.

> since *I* will not join you because of your old buggy code, you have no
> choice but to join *me* and use my code instead. Don't worry about
> differences, I have everything of what you ever coded, whereas you have

Right, and it isn't fair -- I have your stuff but you don't have mine.

> *nothing* of my code, so you haven't got anything to lose, and don't
> worry about new bugs, since I am such an exceptionally good programmer
> that I create perfect code and never make any mistakes. Of course

I make mistakes all the time, but thanks to my testers, we catch
them and fix them. But the number of old bugs goes down steadily.
And I'm not a very knowledgeable programmer -- the only things I'm
good at are optimization of others work, and system analysis.

> anybody with a sane mind would see that *my* code is clearly the best,
> simply because *I* have written it, and because I am an Optimizer, so
> anything that I touch automatically becomes better." Did I forget
> anything?

It's not better because I wrote it, it's better because it's better.
Bernie, MHT and Vladimir have all worked in it directly. 

> Well, if that would be the price of unification, I regard it as too high
> to pay. I'd rather work on slightly less then perfect sources than using
> yours, and that is *not* a matter of coding style.

What price? You make this an emotional issue, but it is not.
If there is no unity, we just carry on as before -- I'll steal all the
work of the rest of the group, and Glenn will feed a bit of mine
back to you guys. It's not that bad.



Regards,


Ray Andrews
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