[arachne] Re: Router on dialup, was Ray's Alt-D

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:29:38 -0500 (CDT), Rob <robo13@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:       
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> Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!

> Thanx for the info Bastiaan, I find this stuff interesting!
> How are you trying to get your PCs talking to each other?
> I almost always use ssh, scp, sftp, on mine. That way I can
> move files, remote control, X forwarding and such. I used
> to use ssh4dos when I had a DOS box. I need to reload XP or
> win2k to get them talking with windo$e. I had win2k on all
> my harddrives, but I always end up putting a 'nix back on.
> My 20giger has had 2k on it about half a dozen times now,
> oh well. Reload again. I didn't realize your modem was
> builtin to your router. I'm using Tomato firmware on my
> router, that way I just use keys to login to my router and
> all my boxes. I was using dd-wrt but I like Tomato better.

The router/modem came with software for networking, win98 and XP has
networking facilities and "Windows Commander (now called Total
Commander" that does networking. FTP etc. The commander is a windows
version of Norton Commander written by a Swiss gay. Very usefull!

But, the software for the router/modem is not for DOS due to JavaScript.
But, telnet commnads are accepted by the router... that is why telnet is
used in DOS... just to connect/disconnect the modem.

> I pretty much never use telnet, BAD security. OK no security.
> Your 98 box is prolly using Netbios or Netbui, I can't remember
> if Netbui was around by 98. I'll use Samba to talk to a winbox.
> Just installed it on my Slackware12.1 box last weekend,
> already on my BSD PC.
> Rob

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Bastiaan Edelman wrote:

>> From: Bastiaan Edelman <bastiaan.pa3ffz@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:12:36 +100
>> To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [arachne] Router on dialup, was Ray's Alt-D
>> X-Mailer: Arachne;A4d;1o

>> Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!

>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:32 -0500 (CDT), Rob <robo13@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    
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>>> Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!

>>> Hey, Bastiaan
>>> I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I'm quite curious
>>> and more than justa little confused by your posts. Are
>>> you using a router on dialup?

>> I use a router and an ethernetcard. The ethernetcard is installed by
>> autoexec.bat that installs the driver: RTSPKT.EXE at 0x60

>> I had to use windows to find out the numbers for NameServer, Gateway and
>> Netmask (and a little help of Glennmcc).

>> In principle I now could dial-in (activate the build in ADSL-modem) but
>> that modem needs JavaScript commands... :-(

>> For some time I used windows to open the connection with a second
>> computer... not nice but this way it was possible to use Arachne.

>> A few month of thinking and experimenting were needed to solve the
>> JavaScript problem. In the 420 page documentation of the router/modem
>> the commands are discriped... and could be given in plain text by
>> telnet.
>> Another month to sort out EXACTLY how to do it with help of a friend
>> with more programming nowledge than i have...

>> In Arachne Connect is left blank so she thinks I am already on line.
>> A connect.bat that plays the telnet script is used to activate the
>> modem.
>> Functions very well in DOS and much faster than the connection in WinXP.

>> There is still one thing to solve... the router cann't be used to
>> connect to the other computer. Not in DOS, not with Arachne.
>> (Windows98 does it, same computer)
>> How to set up the network?

>> Also can't you just use
>>> Bootp or DHCP between your computer and router? Or
>>> even static addresses? Couldn't you just load an ethernet
>>> card and driver, and stay always on between the router and
>>> computer? Couldn't autoexec.bat load a NIC driver?

>> The com ports at the computer are not used... just the RJ-45 jack on the
>> ethernet card.

>>> Are you using a com program? Sorry for all the questions.
>>> I tried running Arachne in dosemu and tried to connect to
>>> my router with no luck, but I really didn't spend any
>>> time trying before I gave up. Wondering how you did it.
>>> Rob

>> More questions? Ask, but I am not sure I know the right answers ;-)

>> Regards, Bastiaan

>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Bastiaan Edelman wrote:

>>>> There can be a reason... the packetdriver is used to get acces to the
>>>> router and from there I have to dial in to the WWW using telnet.

>>>> Using Alt+D says Arachne is already on line which is not true since the
>>>> telnet commands should be given first to the router/modem.

>>>> When I use connect.bat direct (installed it under Shift+F6) then all is
>>>> OK but when Alt+D activates the same connect.bat "Arachne is already
>>>> on line" and nothing happens... the timer resets though.

>>>> Alt+D => connect.bat
>>>> connect.bat:
>>>> telnet.exe @connect.scr (=telnet script to connect the modem)
>>>> echo online > ppp.log
>>>> exit

>>>> Alt+H => hangup.bat
>>>> hangup.bat:
>>>> rem connect\termin.com 0x60
>>>> call discon.bat
>>>> if exist ppp.log del ppp.log

>>>> discon.bat:
>>>> telnet.exe @discon.scr (=telnet script to disconnect)
>>>> if exist ppp.log del ppp.log
>>>> exit

>>>> Timer resets on connect and disconnect... perhaps she is counting as
>>>> Arachne thinks she is still on line?

>>>>>> You are assuming that everyone uses Arachne as you do.  When using 
>>>>>> Arachne

>>>>> Nope, I'm quite aware of the fact that things could be very different
>>>>> with constant connections.

>>>>>> in OS/2 one can jump to program window list, delete the session and 
>>>>>> restart
>>>>>> Arachne, press Alt-D and re-establish the connection.  The modem did not 
>>>>>> lose
>>>>>> the connection.  Arachne thinks it never disconnected.
>>>>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> However, my core always knows when it's connected, unlike std. core
>>>>> which, if you move to another copy or Arachne, thinks it's offline untill
>>>>> you press Alt+D -- even tho that Alt+D doesn't really do anything but
>>>>> create ppp.log. My core sniffs out the packet driver directly.

>>>> An installed packet driver does NOT mean Arachne is on line!!

>>>>>> Please leave Alt-D available anytime.

>>>>> Yeah, I'd need a consensus to change it.

>>>> Regards, Bastiaan

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>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Ray Andrews
>>>>> ..

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