[arachne] Re: Arachne for Linux...

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On Sat, 31 May 2008 17:27:41 +0000, Udo Kuhnt wrote:

>> 486's have been 'throw away' for almost a decade! Do I need to
>> support museum hardware? No, not if doing so will encumber code
>> for 486 and better (which it does). My distro needs 486, SVGA and
>> XMS.

> So you think that people will buy a 486 just to run Arachne on it? Get
> real! Most people will probably run Arachne on whatever old hardware
> they have at their disposal, as an alternative to throwing it away.

No, they won't buy a 486, they don't need to, they're free! What I'm
saying is that very few people have any need for < 486 machines 
anymore.

> Most people on this list run Arachne on old machines while saving newer
> ones for OSes that their old hardware is not powerful enough for.

Sure, I run it on my 486 and my newest machines too.

> 486 machines tend to be used for playing games today, or as routers
> running Linux. I don't think that there are many people who would use
> them as surf boxes, and if they do, they will probably not be running
> Arachne for that purpose.

Well which point are you tring to make? Earlier it seemed you were
defending CGA and EGA as still needing support, now it seems you are
dismissing older hardware as irrelevant. I'm not understanding you.

> And you do not even support standard VGA anymore? Well, at least you
> will know why people won't use your core.

Udo, I didn't say that. What I said was that I could never get it to
work on any of my machines, I think VGA16 is broken. 

>> However, free memory is still an issue as long as one is running in
>> DOS regarless of how powerful your machine is so those efficiencies
>> are not wasted.

> Well, I would say that 99% of all Arachne users have enough
> Conventional Memory so that 100 KB more do not help.

I don't know, some guys have big TSRs and drivers, so their free mem
is limited.

> To me this is pretty pointless. You are removing support for hardware
> that might still be in use only to have a few more KB of unused memory
> that you can show off with.

It's about free memory, speed and most important, about simplifying things
so that a port is easier to achieve.

But, since you will never use my core, and probably very few people 
ever will, why are you so upset about this? If anyone likes my work
they can use it, if they don't like it they can ignore it. You talk
as if what I'm doing has some effect on you. Please, if you don't 
like my attitude just ignore me.

Let's just agree to disagree, you think CGA is important for Arachne
and I don't. I think 100K more low mem if useful and you don't.
That's cool. Everyone makes his own choice.





Regards,


Ray Andrews
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