OK it worked and at least first i got some foreign language sign in box had to click thru it 3 times then i got one in english thats as far as i got and gave up at that point. when im on that sign in box i dont know how to spell that user name and i dont know the password. -- dmf's AM Stereo List - AM stereo and more! List address: amstereo-dmf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx For help, send email to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or amstereo-dmf-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subject line "help", "commands", "subscribe", "unsubscribe" or "faq", minus quotes.