This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/797.html#000013 I"ll have to play with the WACF sometime soon and try it without the backing. We've also never had to use the wings-or else it's been so many years since we tried the WACF I can't remember using them. Besides the 'single' strap hold down-does the hoop frame 'under' the hat still have the serrated 'jaw' to grip the inside of the hat? Couldn't tell from the picture. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================