[amayausers] Re: Your Opinion Please
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- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:03:46 -0700
Thom, Jack,
I don't have the time right now to go into a long winded explanation ....so I will say that first that I agree with what Jack has said about the Amaya embroidery machines and their capabilities. The only thing that I need to point out is the statement that Jack made about " plastic gears" vs metal gears. Yes it is true that the Amaya does use " some " plastic and/or nylon type gears in the upper portion of the needle case for the takeup levers, thread rollers and the drive gear to run them. ALL internal gearing inside the Amaya are metal ...just for info
Rod Springer
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:59 , 'Jack Fuller' <Jack@xxxxxxxx> sent:
Thom
If you go back into the archives of this group you will find that in the early days, three or 4 years ago, the Amaya had serious flaws. It had a reputation of being a problem machine. It is relatively new technology, that is, it pushes thread rather than pulls it. So it is fundamentally different than traditional machines such as Tajima, SWF and Barudan. And it requires different techniques to make it run well. This teething period generated a lot of bad feelings among some early adopters. But, within the last two years, most of the early machines appear to have been upgraded with the new parts and I think owners now agree the AMAYA is the slickest thing afloat. More people have learned how to make it run correctly. Recent software changes add better functionality. The quality of the embroidery on my Amaya is head and shoulders above the quality of the machines owned by guy who do
es my larger jobs. He has older conventional equipment. He sews at 600- 700 spm and I sew at 1100 or 1200 spm and as high as 1300 spm on certain designs. When one of his multi-head machines has a thread break ALL of his machines stop until it is fixed. On a multi-head AMAYA all the others keep on producing. Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but you can produce more work with fewer AMAYAs than you can with any of the conventional machines.
A single head AMAYA is about $12,000 plus software. A single head Tajima or Barudan is thousands more. Three single head AMAYAs will cost about $35K or so plus Flex software of $1500 or so. The three AMAYAs will sew 3600 stitches a minute. A four head conventional bridge machine will set you back $45-$50K and sew 2800 spm. The AMAYA will do more work with fewer machines for less money and do a better job. (The quality is my opinion, but I can defend it.) There are some things that cause me some concern however. The AMAYA has plastic gears. The others (Barudan and Tajima) do not, according to what I hear. The people I know who have Barudans, for example, swear by the quality of their machines and I have no reason to doubt them. I was going to buy a Barudan at one time. I still would give it strong consideration if I was going to open a high volume production shop running two shifts
6 or 7 days a week. In my opinion, AMAYA is THE commercial machine. It has no peers. But as an industrial machine I have doubts. By commercial I mean a small shop doing production work one shift a day several days a week. It is the typical mom and pop store front shop. Industrial work is 16 hour days 6 or 7 days a week. The difference is the comfort factor. A small shop has less of a risk because the jobs are usually smaller and margins are greater. If your machine stops it is no big deal to take the job to a competitor friend to finish for you. And you can still make some money on the deal. That is harder to do on a multi hundred or thousand order where there is likely no one else around to help you out. Such would be a large contract shop. Of course there are exceptions everywhere and on both ends of the spectrum. If you have three AMAYAs and one goes down you still have two putting out as much work as the four head.
You may hear some say that the newest conventionals sew at 1000 spm which is almost as fast the AMAYA. But most run their machines at 700 or 800 spm. It is also true that the AMAYA runs at 1500 spm but most run them at 1100 or 1200 spm. But the real test is how many net stitches per minute a machine puts out. Figuring an 80% uptime on both still gives AMAYA the edge given that it is usually only one head at time that suffers a thread break or problem. On a flex AMAYA the others keep on sewing. On the conventional all heads stop. And that is each and every time any of heads has a thread break, which is about every 8000 to 10000 stitches. Do the math. Just remember that a large contract shop quite often only charge 40 or 50 cents per 1000 stitches. Mom and pops do much smaller jobs and for $1.00 a 1000. Somewhere in the middle is the right answer for your application.
Jack Fuller
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Roman
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 18:20
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Subject: [amayausers] Your Opinion Please
Hi
IR17;m looking at various embroidery machines to buy. I have been in the ASI industry for 12 years and farm out a fair amount of embroidery.
I would be interested in what you think of the Amayas and if you have used other machines prior to or now (Tajima, Baradan etc) their dependability, functionality on caps vs. flats and your general pro and con feedback. I know of no contract embroiderer who uses Amayas.
Thanks Much
Thom
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Thom
If you go back into the archives of this group you will find that in the early days, three or 4 years ago, the Amaya had serious flaws. It had a reputation of being a problem machine. It is relatively new technology, that is, it pushes thread rather than pulls it. So it is fundamentally different than traditional machines such as Tajima, SWF and Barudan. And it requires different techniques to make it run well. This teething period generated a lot of bad feelings among some early adopters. But, within the last two years, most of the early machines appear to have been upgraded with the new parts and I think owners now agree the AMAYA is the slickest thing afloat. More people have learned how to make it run correctly. Recent software changes add better functionality. The quality of the embroidery on my Amaya is head and shoulders above the quality of the machines owned by guy who do
es my larger jobs. He has older conventional equipment. He sews at 600- 700 spm and I sew at 1100 or 1200 spm and as high as 1300 spm on certain designs. When one of his multi-head machines has a thread break ALL of his machines stop until it is fixed. On a multi-head AMAYA all the others keep on producing. Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but you can produce more work with fewer AMAYAs than you can with any of the conventional machines.
A single head AMAYA is about $12,000 plus software. A single head Tajima or Barudan is thousands more. Three single head AMAYAs will cost about $35K or so plus Flex software of $1500 or so. The three AMAYAs will sew 3600 stitches a minute. A four head conventional bridge machine will set you back $45-$50K and sew 2800 spm. The AMAYA will do more work with fewer machines for less money and do a better job. (The quality is my opinion, but I can defend it.) There are some things that cause me some concern however. The AMAYA has plastic gears. The others (Barudan and Tajima) do not, according to what I hear. The people I know who have Barudans, for example, swear by the quality of their machines and I have no reason to doubt them. I was going to buy a Barudan at one time. I still would give it strong consideration if I was going to open a high volume production shop running two shifts
6 or 7 days a week. In my opinion, AMAYA is THE commercial machine. It has no peers. But as an industrial machine I have doubts. By commercial I mean a small shop doing production work one shift a day several days a week. It is the typical mom and pop store front shop. Industrial work is 16 hour days 6 or 7 days a week. The difference is the comfort factor. A small shop has less of a risk because the jobs are usually smaller and margins are greater. If your machine stops it is no big deal to take the job to a competitor friend to finish for you. And you can still make some money on the deal. That is harder to do on a multi hundred or thousand order where there is likely no one else around to help you out. Such would be a large contract shop. Of course there are exceptions everywhere and on both ends of the spectrum. If you have three AMAYAs and one goes down you still have two putting out as much work as the four head.
You may hear some say that the newest conventionals sew at 1000 spm which is almost as fast the AMAYA. But most run their machines at 700 or 800 spm. It is also true that the AMAYA runs at 1500 spm but most run them at 1100 or 1200 spm. But the real test is how many net stitches per minute a machine puts out. Figuring an 80% uptime on both still gives AMAYA the edge given that it is usually only one head at time that suffers a thread break or problem. On a flex AMAYA the others keep on sewing. On the conventional all heads stop. And that is each and every time any of heads has a thread break, which is about every 8000 to 10000 stitches. Do the math. Just remember that a large contract shop quite often only charge 40 or 50 cents per 1000 stitches. Mom and pops do much smaller jobs and for $1.00 a 1000. Somewhere in the middle is the right answer for your application.
Jack Fuller
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Roman
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 18:20
To: Amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Your Opinion Please
Hi
IR17;m looking at various embroidery machines to buy. I have been in the ASI industry for 12 years and farm out a fair amount of embroidery.
I would be interested in what you think of the Amayas and if you have used other machines prior to or now (Tajima, Baradan etc) their dependability, functionality on caps vs. flats and your general pro and con feedback. I know of no contract embroiderer who uses Amayas.
Thanks Much
Thom
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