[amayausers] Re: Your Opinion Please

Thom

If you go back into the archives of this group you will find that in the
early days, three or 4 years ago, the Amaya had serious flaws. It had a
reputation of being a problem machine. It is relatively new technology, that
is, it pushes thread rather than pulls it. So it is fundamentally different
than traditional machines such as Tajima, SWF and Barudan. And it requires
different techniques to make it run well. This teething period generated a
lot of bad feelings among some early adopters. But, within the last two
years, most of the early machines appear to have been upgraded with the new
parts and I think owners now agree the AMAYA is the slickest thing afloat.
More people have learned how to make it run correctly. Recent software
changes add better functionality. The quality of the embroidery on my Amaya
is head and shoulders above the quality of the machines owned by guy who
does my larger jobs. He has older conventional equipment. He sews at 600-
700 spm and I sew at 1100 or 1200 spm and as high as 1300 spm on certain
designs. When one of his multi-head machines has a thread break ALL of his
machines stop until it is fixed. On a multi-head AMAYA all the others keep
on producing. Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but you can produce
more work with fewer AMAYAs than you can with any of the conventional
machines.

 

A single head AMAYA is about $12,000 plus software. A single head Tajima or
Barudan is thousands more. Three single head AMAYAs will cost about $35K or
so plus Flex software of $1500 or so. The three AMAYAs will sew 3600
stitches a minute. A four head conventional bridge machine will set you back
$45-$50K and sew 2800 spm. The AMAYA will do more work with fewer machines
for less money and do a better job. (The quality is my opinion, but I can
defend it.) There are some things that cause me some concern however. The
AMAYA has plastic gears. The others (Barudan and Tajima) do not, according
to what I hear. The people I know who have Barudans, for example, swear by
the quality of their machines and I have no reason to doubt them. I was
going to buy a Barudan at one time. I still would give it strong
consideration if I was going to open a high volume production shop running
two shifts 6 or 7 days a week. In my opinion, AMAYA is THE commercial
machine. It has no peers. But as an industrial machine I have doubts. By
commercial I mean a small shop doing production work one shift a day several
days a week. It is the typical mom and pop store front shop. Industrial work
is 16 hour days 6 or 7 days a week. The difference is the comfort factor. A
small shop has less of a risk because the jobs are usually smaller and
margins are greater. If your machine stops it is no big deal to take the job
to a competitor friend to finish for you. And you can still make some money
on the deal. That is harder to do on a multi hundred or thousand order where
there is likely no one else around to help you out. Such would be a large
contract shop. Of course there are exceptions everywhere and on both ends of
the spectrum. If you have three AMAYAs and one goes down you still have two
putting out as much work as the four head. 

 

You may hear some say that the newest conventionals sew at 1000 spm which is
almost as fast the AMAYA. But most run their machines at 700 or 800 spm. It
is also true that the AMAYA runs at 1500 spm but most run them at 1100 or
1200 spm. But the real test is how many net stitches per minute a machine
puts out. Figuring an 80% uptime on both still gives AMAYA the edge given
that it is usually only one head at time that suffers a thread break or
problem. On a flex AMAYA the others keep on sewing. On the conventional all
heads stop. And that is each and every time any of heads has a thread break,
which is about every 8000 to 10000 stitches. Do the math. Just remember that
a large contract shop quite often only charge 40 or 50 cents per 1000
stitches. Mom and pops do much smaller jobs and for $1.00 a 1000. Somewhere
in the middle is the right answer for your application.  

 

 

Jack Fuller

 

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From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Roman
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 18:20
To: Amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Your Opinion Please

 

Hi

I'm looking at various embroidery machines to buy. I have been in the ASI
industry for 12 years and farm out a fair amount of embroidery.

I would be interested in what you think of the Amayas and if you have used
other machines prior to or now (Tajima, Baradan etc) their dependability,
functionality on caps vs. flats and your general pro and con feedback. I
know of no contract embroiderer who uses Amayas.

Thanks Much

Thom

 



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