Jim, This may not be what you want to hear but....in the Melco Mart Catalog is a cap frame that I feel works much better overall for caps and visors. the cap frame number is 12155. This frame is designated as the CCF/WACF in the hoop selection in Amaya OS. I use this frame a majority of the time and have used it on visors with excellent results. I used a stiff tear-a-way backing to help support the cap wihile sit was sewing. While the 270 frame has its place, for most caps I like the older style frame better. It is a faster unit to work with and is more universal in what can be done with it. I know this info isn't very helpfull if you don't presently have access to one of these frames but......for future reference maybe... Rod Rod Springer Melco Trained Technician/Owner (Design Shop Pro+ Digitizing) Boise, ID (208) 938-3038 springer37@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [amayausers] Working with Visors > I have the wide angle cap frame, but I am having trouble working with visors, > I cannot hoop the visor to the point that I have a large enough sew field to > work with a design. Are there any options? > > Best Regards, > Jim Keil > Jersey Shore Screen Printing > 732.259.4542 >