another question I would have, or something I would point out, is that if you did the wide satin stitches, the machine clearly goes slower than if you used a split stitch or a fill. So while your stitch count may go up meaningfully, I don't think the time spent sewing will increase by as large an amount. You can also factor in that the wider stitches use more thread, but I'm trying to keep it simple. I agree with Roland, as there are times I've added 10-20% more stitches to a design to get it looking the way I want and not changed the price I charge. Most of the people are thrilled when they see the product. Something that would have taken 7 minutes to sew, might take 8 but I decided in the beginning that I would try to compete based on quality of workmanship rather than price. I'm only at this 18 months, but those are my observations. Tom Dauria Mr. Sew & Sew "Roland R. Irish III" <signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: As Aaron points out, changing stitch type really increases the count, which in turn raises the price you have to charge. BUT, look at it this way...I now have a good account, small but worth it. Local limosine company brought in his satin jacket 2 years ago...name on the back in satin stitch, probably 1 1/2" or taller letters. Half of them had pulled right out when something would catch the threads. Not even a couple months old and it looked terrible! So I remade his design, and did the split element on all the stitches. It's been 2 years, and he has gone from just his one coat to 2 coats each for every driver (lightweight and heavier 4 season jacket) and his wife, fatherinlaw, kids...and not one jacket has had any stitching pull out yet. So...here's the question...do the job faster and cheaper-and hand your customer to another shop, or do it right the first time and delivery quality products? =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list =========================================================== =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================