[amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....

Interesting Ernest!  I didn't realize there was a colorfast Rayon---have 
never heard that.  I have Arc, Isacord, Madeira and a few other threads.  We 
also do veteran caps and did a ton of them for ones coming home from Iraq 
and Iran.
Sharon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ernest Aguilar" <ernie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....


> Rayon IS colorfast if you buy it as such.
>
> We have been using rayon since 1960 with no problems, we have caps that 
> come
> back to us since then with very little fade.
>
> If you buy cheap thread you will get cheap thread...
>
> Make sure it's colorfast.
>
> In high sweat and high heat the material will fade before the embroidery 
> or
> with the embroidery.
>
> I'm sure you all have seen our caps.... Look at a veteran wearing a cap,
> chances are we made it.
>
>
> Ernest Aguilar CEO
> Lancaster Uniform Cap Co., Inc.
> lovecars.com Embroidery
> NOTE NEW ADDRESS
> 5522 Olive St.
> Montclair, CA 91763
> 909-949-7070
> 909-949-4270 FAX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod or Sharon
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:10 AM
> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....
>
> Rayon is not colorfast, therefore, if washed often or in bleach, it will
> fade or bleach out.  It is also not as strong as Poly but has a higher
> sheen.  I'd not use it on children's wear.  We use Poly for most 
> everything
> but have no problems with Rayon when we use it.
> Sharon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Chamberlin" <impressivethreads@xxxxxxx>
> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:55 AM
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....
>
>
>>I do not want to beat a dead horse, but being new to this business I
>>want  the very best for my customers. I was lead to believe Rayon
>>thread was not  as strong as Poly and would fade or bleach out with
>>washings. Is this not  the case. My business is in AZ so lots of hats
>>and shirts worn in the sun  with lots of sweat in 115 degree heat.
>>Would Rayon threads live up to  those  types of condition and last as
>>long as Poly?
>>
>> Cindy Chamberlin
>> Impressive Threads
>> Phoenix AZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ernest Aguilar
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:31 PM
>> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....
>>
>> Well, I don't know how practical in your production but in our
>> production.......
>>
>> I have 4 12 heads, 1 18 head, 8 Melco Single heads, and 4 Amaya XT's
>> and we run both Rayon and Poly depending on the job.
>>
>> We use Rayon about 95% of the time, it's a matter of quality
>> embroidery, and our customers expect it.
>>
>> If you want quality... You must use Rayon, if you want production and
>> don't care too much about longevity of machines then use Poly.
>>
>> And our XT's run very well at high speed on Robison Anton Rayon.
>>
>> Ernest Aguilar CEO
>> Lancaster Uniform Cap Co., Inc.
>> lovecars.com Embroidery
>> NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>> 5522 Olive St.
>> Montclair, CA 91763
>> 909-949-7070
>> 909-949-4270 FAX
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kesavan
>> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:24 PM
>> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread long reply.....
>>
>> Ernie,
>>
>> I switched to Poly 2 years ago. Its not practical to try and run both
>> rayon an poly in production.
>>
>> The amaya cant run ryaon anyway. Too may thread brakes at high speed.
>>
>> Anand
>>
>> Anand, you guys in Australia can get the best Rayon in the world from
>> Japan and Southeast Asia, we in the US cannot. They cannot be imported
>> in.
>>
>> I had a distributor here in Los Angeles that was bringing thread in
>> from Japan and from Malaysia and they got slammed by Customs, I used
>> their thread exclusively for many years.
>>
>> This is the rule of thumb for thread use Rayon vs. Polyester
>>
>> Rayon is used for fine embroidery and for more shine on regular garments.
>>
>> Poly is used for mostly items that will be commercially laundered.
>>
>> Poly is very hard on machines, it will cut up most thread guides 10
>> times faster than cotton and probably 50 times faster than rayon. But
>> it is more forgiving to badly timed machines and bad designs that tend
>> to make the machine break thread a lot. It also requires heavier
>> tensions that  will pucker the embroidery after a while.
>>
>> Rayon is very delicate specially black and white, machine must be in
>> top condition and design must be well digitized. It's not very
>> forgiving to outdoor use, to heavy laundering. But will look best
> specially on fills.
>>
>> This is from my own personally experience.
>>
>> I've heard other reason pro and con for both threads, but we've been
>> doing automated machine embroidery for 24 years, and for 30 years
>> before that with manual Zig Zag embroidery machines. And we repair our
>> won machines except for the new Amaya XT's that we just got.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ernest Aguilar CEO
>> Lancaster Uniform Cap Co., Inc.
>> lovecars.com Embroidery
>> NOTE NEW ADDRESS
>> 5522 Olive St.
>> Montclair, CA 91763
>> 909-949-7070
>> 909-949-4270 FAX
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kesavan
>> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:30 PM
>> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [amayausers] Re: R&A thread
>>
>> Thanks every one. Unfortunately the Australian distributor stocks only
>> rayon.
>>
>>
>> Anand
>>
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