This message was posted by Wayne on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/1306.html#000001 I go down 8 inches from the neck (for the center on the design) for shirts up to XL. One from the yoke I try to sew as close to the yoke as I can. This too depends on how low the yoke is. If the hair is long and they want the design to be seeen I would go down 10 to 12 inches for the center. This depends on how long the hair is. In short, you just have to put it where it looks good. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================