David, If I understand you, your customer wants a zig zag or maybe a satin border around the patch to hold it in place right? When I did Little League patches this week, I scanned the patch so I could digitize the outline of the patch and then used the auto appliqu=E9 feature, I made sure the tackdown stitch was checked in the properties of the = appliqu=E9. After the appliqu=E9 element was done. I converted to wireframe and = simply deleted the zig zag part of the appliqu=E9 because I didn't need it. In your case keep the cover stitch make it whatever you want in properties in the appliqu=E9 element. I used spray adhesive to hold the patch down. It was only about 4 inches by 3 inches. If you don't have auto appliqu=E9. Draw the border of the scanned patch with a walk normal, that's your outline. Now it needs a tack down just inside the outside border of walk normal stitches, digitize it just inside. Now you can change element type and "add" (not replace) the new element of the walk normal to a column and select a zig zag or satin. Use spray adhesive to attach the patch to the garment after the outline. If spray adhesive won't hold such a large patch, you might have to hand tack the patch down in addition to the adhesive. That would be a pain for a big quantity but hand tacking would work. I think what your customer wants is an appliqu=E9 but the patch is the appliqu=E9 and you need an outline and a tack down stitch. I'm no expert, but I did just get done with 96 Little League patches and have another 100 to do. Cheryl Rotter Team Sports Ink 5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B Carson City, NV 89706 775-884-3550 -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dsklar@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:30 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Patches A customer walked into the shop with some shirts that have a heat sealed patch already attached. The patch is shield shaped. They are concerned that they may not stay attached and would look better if they had a border embroidered around the patch. I know how to do patches like appliques, but does anyone have any tricks for lining this up "after the fact"??? Thanks. David Sklar Ballyhoo! Arlington, VA=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================