This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/460.html#000005 When I bought mine, Melco was selling both of them...I had checked when we got back from training and ordered one...both types were out of stock. Every time I checked...out of stock. Finally got an email 'flyer' from Sal and his company and just ordered it right from them. I do a lot of 'XXl, XXXL, and XXXXL' polos and it is great for that-and the limo jackets I do once a year now come out perfectly aligned. Used to be or or two slightly off kilter trying to just do a hoop on the counter. The clips for holding the backing in place really speed things up. But like I said-I've never seen the other type in use. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================