This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/631.html How to hoop hats has bounced around a few times...so here's what I am doing this week-put together several helpful hints from everyone and it's working! I'm running a 5,000 stitch design, 1 3/4 by 3 1/2" wide on Sanmar unstructured low crown hats. Usually a pain and I send them out but too small a quantity this time. Took the CCF frames, painted the band, teeth, hold down pieces, etc. with a plastic like 'Dip' goop made for tool handles. Backing- 3 oz. tearaway (precut sheets, very rigid) Speed- 1000 auto setting. With the goop on the hoop, I found the backing stayed right where it was put, and after the first line of type sewed down, the face of the hat never moved again. The goop on the 'top' part of the hoop held it with no slipping. Design was set up with bottom line of type first (click on 'sew from center out), then the farm animals (logo) above-most of it from the center out. Not one single area where a single line satin stitch outline was out of place...not one! Usually the hat faces would shift during sewing and outlines wouldn't line up. I'm running some of it a 10 or 12 pt stitch..not wide ones! Hats are first run through my Hat press- 350 degrees, 24 seconds of FIRM pressure-more than used for decaling. I put the hat in place, with a paintbrush run water down the center seam, and heat it. Hat comes out with the center seam flattend AND steamed-needles and thread go through it with ease. So thanks for all the tips and tricks everyone...we have a winner! Other than random thread breaks...from none to 3 or 4 per hat max...they are running great. Roland =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================