This message was posted by Five Point Emb on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/4/667.html#000004 Not sure exactly what you're asking but I'll give it a shot. My firefighter logos fit in the 7" hoop so I use the horizontal seam on the left front as a guide and the bottom of the design is 1/2" up from it. If they want a title I just rehoop and place it 1/2" below the seam. Darlene Duseberg Five Point Embroidery Perrysburg, OH =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================