[amayausers] Amaya Specific Digitizers Myth
- From: "Kesavan" <kesavan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:35:19 +1000
All my designs that run on my tajima and happy run on my Amaya. I =
don=92t
think we should create a Mythical group of Amaya specific digitizers
Anand
John, Bob,
My personal opinion on "Amaya specific" digitizing....... I do believe
that=20
the digitizer who "owns an Amaya, and who verifies the digitized designs
on=20
the Amaya is a definite plus for the customer. That is not to say that
there=20
are not some really good digitizers out there that are savy to the
different=20
quirks of the different embroidery machines on the market.
It is very difficult to digitize for caps with some designs....How do
you as=20
the digitizer quote a fair price and not verify a complex design on a
cap or=20
two or three. Do we throw in the cost of these caps on the digitizing
cost,=20
thereby raising the price of the digitized design? Do we come up with a
make=20
shift, make believe cap to put on the cap driver to verify the
design......?=20
It is a time consuming affair at best and usually not very profitable,=20
taking into consideration the time factor. Those people that choose to
sub=20
out their digitizing are not completely dumb. Sure, the simple, easy to
put=20
together logo or name, etc.......those are things that you can take care
of=20
yourself, but throw in a complicated, complex design and it very quickly
gets to the point of ridiculous with the time factor.
Digitizing for flats is always a challenge by it's self and then CAPS!!!
I=20
have found I can now do pretty fair at digitizing most designs for a
cap=20
but still struggle with oval and/or circular borders pulling,
stretching,=20
distorting and God only knows what else. Each brand and style of cap can
exhibit a different characteristic with the same design, making it
necessary=20
to then, "edit" the design slightly.
Using good underlay techniques is critical to getting some caps to sew
out=20
well. Nailing down the center seam on a cap by adding a manual double=20
zigzag across the seam and/or filling the seam line with vertical
stitching=20
and then using a wider manual cross hatch underlay over the rest of the=20
design, will help tack the cap down and not allow for the cap to move or
shift or whatever it does to mess up the sew out. Oh, and then given a=20
perfectly digitized design......nothing can correct for an improperly
hooped=20
cap. If it is loose and floppy, ,,,,, well, kind of like the old
computer=20
programmer saying,,,,,,,,,,garbage in, garbage out!!!
Now having said all that, does the Amaya need to be digitized for=20
specifically? I would say there are some "ifs" involved in that
question.=20
The biggest "if" is the speed at which you want to operate at. The
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the speed, the more the different materials are going to "pull/push." So
digitizing and being able to verify at high speed is a plus. The fact
that=20
the Amaya is more precise in its needle placement will create narrower=20
columns making it necessary for the operator to add some extra pull comp
in=20
these areas......
The technology introduced into the Amaya software and the design of the=20
machine has just made it necessary for the operator to "learn" new ways
to=20
embroidery. The Amaya/Design Shop software has given the operator
tremendous=20
flexibility ,but, only "if" ( there is that "if" word again), they are
open=20
and willing to take on this new learning curve.
I would hesitate going so far as to say that the Amaya "must" be
digitized=20
for specifically. If this were the case, you would not be able to sew
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any of the pre-digitized designs from , Dakota, Great Notions,
Embroidery=20
Library, etc......with success. Will editing these designs by reducing
the=20
stitch counts, tweaking the densities, stitch lengths, etc, help them to
sew=20
better on the Amaya...you bet. But even a good digitizer will send
someone=20
a design that has been digitized on his Amaya, will need some minor
tweaking=20
on the customers machine. The differences in machines, the different=20
materials, backings, hooping techniques, needles, threads...the list
goes=20
on.......it just means that the digitizer hopes to get it "right" as
close=20
as they can.....regardless of the machine used.
Was that ...wishy---washy enough for a long winded answer ;-)).
Rod Springer
Melco Certified Tech
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "John Yaglenski" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
> Thanks - I think it's time I go to sleep - between the one design=20
> kicking
> my
> butt and trying to get a design digitized properly for a cap (that
sews=20
> out
> fine and looks great on flats - but gets mega distorted on caps) has
left
> about 5 caps in the trash so far. Grrr. So much still to learn....
>
> Sometimes, it's best to just give up and attack fresh in the morning!
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:32 AM
> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
>
> Now that you mention it John ... I think you are right. The business=20
> of Amaya specific digitizing did come up before. Not that I remember=20
> any details or even if there were any. Will have to check the=20
> archives.
>
> Having access to a digitizer who uses the same software as you use=20
> [DesignShop] and is able to provide you with a native file, certainly=20
> can be an advantage.
>
> I know a good digitizer who uses DesignShop Pro ..... just not sure if
> they understand the needs of the Amaya [whatever that may be]. They=20
> did belong to this group at one time [and likely still do] so if they=20
> think they can help, I'm sure you will hear from them.
>
> Good luck .
>
> Bob
>
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>
>
>
> John Yaglenski wrote:
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>>I think we have been over this before Bob if I'm not mistaken... =20
>>Someone who runs this machine will understand it's in's and out's,=20
>>what it's strengths are and what it's weaknesses are and can play=20
>>towards them. Granted, good digitizing is good digitizing, but I doubt
>>anyone would say all machines sew exactly the same or that a design=20
>>sewn out on 10 different machines will sew out exactly the same on any
>>two. 90% of the time,
> generic
>>designs will work fine with little editing. The one I am working on=20
>>right now doesn't seem to want to sew out well, so I want to see what=20
>>someone on the list can do with it who is more proficient in=20
>>digitizing than I.
>>
>>Also, converting .dst files isn't exactly the same as using a native=20
>>file format of design shop.
>>
>>Just looking for a digitizer who digitizes in Design Shop and actually
>>uses
>>and understands an Amaya.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>>[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick
>>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:16 AM
>>To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
>>
>>John
>>I can't help with your design but was wondering what is an Amaya=20
>>specific design ?
>>
>>If a quality digitized design stitches well on other machines, what=20
>>needs to be changed to make it an Amaya design ?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Bob
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